the bday giveth, and the bday taketh away... - Page 2

sumpfinfishe · #11 10-22-2003, 07:21 PM

Hey Shao,

Sorry for your loss

IMO angels are one of the most easy stressed fish out there. From all the diving and snorkeling that I have done, I have noticed that it's always the angels that spook the first. There are more sensitive in there own natural enviroment than any other fish I have encountered. So that's gotta say something about there care in a tank.

I also have to agree with Deb.
IMO taking photo shoots of your new fish in a net or even in a pail for that matter is not a wise action. Your fish is already going through Hell

, a third or fourth time by being brought home to yet another tank, there's no need to add to more stress by taking photo's and worst of all exposing it to the air for longer periods than needed-they have gills not lungs. I also just read an article on how fish net exposure may be responsible for "popeye" and some gill infections. I think it was in this months Reefkeeping online.

Sorry Shao if this sounds like I'm attacking you personaly-because I'm not!
I just think we all(myself included) need to be reminded once in awhile that reefing is a delicate living hobby.

cheers, Rich

Samw · #12 10-22-2003, 09:09 PM

I doubt that the 10 seconds it takes to take a pic of the fish killed it. I bought a fish (small fish for my nano) from the same system as that angel a day before Shao and it also died in 2 days. There was something seriously wrong with the system that it came from (the cloudy water and dead fishes in the tanks were 2 indications. I decided to buy the one that was moving, although the guy there almost scooped me up the one that wasn't moving). So yes, crucify us for buying fish from a bad system. In Shao's case, the dead fishes in those tanks were probably removed by the time he got there.

AJ_77 · #13 10-22-2003, 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Samw

So yes, crucify us for buying fish from a bad system.

Feeling a little dramatic, Sam?

We've all had bad purchases, and fish deaths are never easy to take. Rich's "gentle reminder" is still welcome, IMO.

Samw · #14 10-22-2003, 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by AJ_77

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Originally Posted by Samw

So yes, crucify us for buying fish from a bad system.

Feeling a little dramatic, Sam?

We've all had bad purchases, and fish deaths are never easy to take. Rich's "gentle reminder" is still welcome, IMO.

Um, yeah, I've taken pictures of my fish in nets before.

It was my way of suggesting that the fish would have died even if its picture wasn't taken and that we could look at other factors. When you buy the fish, it is netted, so netting it when you get home isn't much different.

EmilyB · #15 10-22-2003, 10:04 PM

Hey, I've got no trouble admitting I treat fish as pets, crazy as some of you might think....

EmilyB would hate it if I held her underwater to take her picture......

I just fail to see the point in stressing a fish any more than necessary, and Rich put it very eloquently.

I shouldn't have (and didn't really intend to have) implied it killed the fish.

Samw · #16 10-22-2003, 10:11 PM

And I love eating baked salmon wellington, popcorn shrimp and tuna sashimi.

Oh - And I also wouldn't hold a pet's head under water.

Mak · #17 10-22-2003, 10:18 PM

Sorry for your guys loss. I also bought a fish from that system last week, mine lasted about 20mins after lights on the next day and the was no exposure to air. I will never buy another fish from that system, no matter how bad I must have it. I have almost 100% sucess rate buying fish elsewhere and I'm like 1 for 4 at this place, and the one survival was a Tomato Clown, probably one of the hardiest fish out there.

Aquattro · #18 10-22-2003, 10:35 PM

To brighten things up here, EmB just made her 2000th post!! Wow

christyf5 · #19 10-22-2003, 10:55 PM

smokinreefer · #20 10-23-2003, 02:10 AM

mmkay...
while i can take constructive critism and i am all for opinions and experiences...(and i am not taking anything personally, nor do i feel attacked

)but,
i can totally understand your views on the taking pics of the fish in the net, but do you really think that that caused undue stress on the fish?
being in the net an extra 20 seconds.
for 1 thing, i took pics of only 1 fish in the net, yet the other fish died first.
whats up with that?
perhaps from now on, after the fish is acclimated, i should (and when i say i should, i really mean we all should)use a container and scoop the fish out of the acclimating pail, submerge that into the tank and release it, as to avoid anymore air contact than necessary, is that what everyone should be doing?
while i can appreciate the point that is trying to be made, there is a point where things are a tad extreme, perhaps i am overreacting, or perhaps it is others who are overreacting.

now, i do not profess myself to be a fishkeeping guru, but i do feel quite confident with my experience, having said that, the next time i introduce a new fish to my system, i will take your concerns into consideration.