RC Exodus of Experts

[christyf5]

Originally Posted by AndyL

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No we don't currently have "renowned experts" but I do see some of the same attitudes that caused the 'meltdown' even here on canreef.

I see some of the "lobbying" (and baiting by some of these lobbyests) that caused this meltdown even here. We all need to realize, that while there are new (and some promising) methods to keep a reef out there. But we don't need the lobbying that we've seen on RC in regards to BB instead of DSB/SSB, cooking rocks etc. This hobby is rather new and is still largely developing - this whole lobbying / "my way is the only way to keep a tank", shouldn't be tolerated by members or staff. Yes, anyone should be allowed to voice their opinion as to what works for them, but the "Your DSB will kill your tank" "You've got to cook your rocks or you will have phosphate problems" needs to end.

My .02

Andy

Am I missing something here? When did we have a meltdown here on Canreef??

You know, everyone has their own opinions on how things should be done for every topic. I really think its a reefers responsibility to do research and garner their own information to make their own way in the hobby. However, I don't think that we need to "lay the smack down" on any members that feel "their way or the highway". Everyone has their own things that worked for them and may not work for others, just because people have stronger personalities and may not word it in a "politically correct" way doesn't mean we need to get rid of them.

Christy

[dirtyreefer]

Agreed, people there took it to another level. I mean when it all comes down it it, it's just a fish tank!

But DSB/BB is like a religion, and people take things quite personally for some stupid reason.

[Delphinus]

I'm not sure to which specific instances you refer to, Andy? For the most part I thought we had a rather diverse experience base here on Canreef, and people are free to post their experiences. If those posts share an opposing view to an already posted about opinion, then so be it, and let the discussion ensue. It is only through the sharing of differing opinions that we may occasionally be presented with a new perspective. When the discussion gets heated and/or personal, then maybe an intervention may happen but until then it's an open discussion.

I'm not sure how we are to not "tolerate" certain opinions, and yet still retain the goal of keeping an open forum for discussion.

[RobbAdams]

Never been a big RC supporter my self.

I was pretty much riddiculed when I started in the hobby, for doing a 28 gallon tank.

Love Canreef, and spend some time on nano-reef

Robb

[rickjames]

That's unreal what has happened over there! What a shame.

Hey, maybe we can make a pitch to have them here on canreef! C'mon, who wouldn't pay for a membership to a board with those guys on it

[AndyL]

Whoops, that's what happens when I post at lunch - poor sentence structure...

What I meant was we do see some of the same attitudes that caused the meltdown on RC on occasion here on canreef.

[reeferaddict]

Originally Posted by AndyL

Whoops, that's what happens when I post at lunch - poor sentence structure...

What I meant was we do see some of the same attitudes that caused the meltdown on RC on occasion here on canreef.

Yup.... I've seen it myself... it's kept me from posting sometimes, just because it's not worth it... I DO notice that the people with the attitudes are some of the most narrow-minded people around with great egos. I found it delightfully refreshing to read Delbeek & Sprungs Volume 3 and hear those "reknowned experts" say there is more than one way to skin a cat... with regards to EVERYTHING in this hobby. If those guys can humble themselves it makes me wonder what kind of social problems the basement/closet AMATEUR reefers on here might have at times.

For the most part I find the people on here enjoyable, knowledgable and pleasant. I just don't give my attention to the "my way or the hiway" guys/gals... As far as I'm concerned they need to go take another whiz in their tank...

[AndyL]

Originally Posted by christyf5

Everyone has their own things that worked for them and may not work for others, just because people have stronger personalities and may not word it in a "politically correct" way doesn't mean we need to get rid of them.

Originally Posted by Delphinius

I'm not sure how we are to not "tolerate" certain opinions, and yet still retain the goal of keeping an open forum for discussion.

I wasn't suggesting persons shouldn't be allowed to express their beliefs, I've got no problem with that. Those of you who've met me know I've got some pretty strong ones myself.

The problem comes in with certain people who try to 'force' their opinions onto others. These are the lobbiests (ok I learned how to spell) I'm referring to, I personally don't see a problem with asking them to check their attitudes at the door. Being tollerant of an opinion is one thing, being tollerant of behaviour is something completely different.

Andy

[smokinreefer]

wow... thats quite the shame.

but its so true, RC has gotten so big, it can be quite overwhelming to 'casually' sift through daily posts.

i barely visit there much anymore, and even then only to browse a select few of the forums.

for better search functionality you need to donate and become a premium member. understandable given the mere size RC has grown to.

i've often felt few of the regulars there seem to be on a high horse and are very opinioned, which is very different than just expressing your opinion. but that can happen anywhere.

regardless, i have always thought of RC as a great reefing resource and most likely will continue to do so despite the recent happenings [of which i have not been following, nor aware of until now.] unless something turns me off the site and it drops off my radar [as reefs.org seems to have done. lol]

happy canreefing!

[Cap'n]

Originally Posted by reeferaddict

As far as I'm concerned they need to go take another whiz in their tank...

I've heard the Eastern European aquacultured albino hynopora REQUIRE a good whiz every week or so (depending on volume) to ensure a healthy exoskeleton when they split. However, this will only work if the tank does not have BB or DSB. A UK PHD told me he could COD authentic PP to me, confidentially.

Excuse me while I go "top-up" my tank.