Sad news: baby elephant has died.

[Beverly]

I don't think so either.

[Cap'n]

Originally Posted by albert_dao

Go out and pick up Micheal Moore's Fareheit 9/11

It's in there somewhere. Don't take the movie too seriously though, it is heavily biased and subjective. Sure, there's a lot of validity to it, but there's also a lot of information that they purposefully left out, that and some cheap sympathy for the masses.

Not that video, the one about the animal's emotion.

Saw Farenheit, it was all right, far too melodramatic for my tastes though. As far as bias, I don't think it was nearly as one-sided as the politicians he was aiming for.

[trilinearmipmap]

Just a little confused re the alleged biases and misinformation in "Fahrenheit 9/11".

Exactly which information presented in the movie is untrue?

The part about how the Bush administration is financially in bed with the Saudis?

The part about how ordinary working-class Americans are sending their sons and daughters to die in Iraq, while only one member of Congress has a son or daughter in the armed forces?

I found the movie completely accurate. The only biases I found in the movie were a bias toward truth and a bias against killing people for no reason.

[Cap'n]

Greed now, eh? Allright...

I don't think greed could be passed on genetically, therefore it is not influenced by evolution (at least not directly). More a subject of anthropology, psychology and philosophy than biology.

I think it is a product of human culture. Early settlements would undoubtedly have one individual with the most property and power. Others would note this and become jealous, and in trying to obtain that same amount of perceived respect would become greedy. I think it is a learned behaviour unique to our species. It could be viewed as a bonus that comes with the technology to aquire and store more than is necessary.

[Fish]

Jeesh, I don't read the posts for a couple days and I don't recognize the thread anymore.
Teevee might be the guy to ask because it sounds like he is more current on the classes that the rest of us took ages ago but I do not see any reason why "greed" as a trait couldn't be (or isn't) passed on genetically. I think that the studies done on twins raised seperately has shown us that genetics doesn't influence just the color of a person's eyes or the shape of their face, but also the way they think and feel and their personality traits. ??

- Chad

[StirCrazy]

Originally Posted by Fish

but I do not see any reason why "greed" as a trait couldn't be (or isn't) passed on genetically. I think that the studies done on twins raised seperately has shown us that genetics doesn't influence just the color of a person's eyes or the shape of their face, but also the way they think and feel and their personality traits. ??

- Chad

Genetics is a small part of behavior, while it may predispose a persons tendency to wards a specific pattern it is mostly environmental stimulus that will shape a person's behavioral pattern. so parents, surroundings, friends, on and on.

Steve

[Buccaneer]

Originally Posted by trilinearmipmap

Just a little confused re the alleged biases and misinformation in "Fahrenheit 9/11".

Exactly which information presented in the movie is untrue?

The part about how the Bush administration is financially in bed with the Saudis?

The part about how ordinary working-class Americans are sending their sons and daughters to die in Iraq, while only one member of Congress has a son or daughter in the armed forces?

I found the movie completely accurate. The only biases I found in the movie were a bias toward truth and a bias against killing people for no reason.

OK ... so you took the time to watch the movie and see it from MM point of view ... complete with slick editing ... maybe visit this website to see how he actually does what he does to trick you into seeing it from his distorted viewpoint. I have actually gone back in the movies to see if it is true ... guess what ? ... see for yourself

http://www.bowlingfortruth.com/

[albert_dao]

Originally Posted by trilinearmipmap

Just a little confused re the alleged biases and misinformation in "Fahrenheit 9/11".

Exactly which information presented in the movie is untrue?

The part about how the Bush administration is financially in bed with the Saudis?

The part about how ordinary working-class Americans are sending their sons and daughters to die in Iraq, while only one member of Congress has a son or daughter in the armed forces?

I found the movie completely accurate. The only biases I found in the movie were a bias toward truth and a bias against killing people for no reason.

Oh, there isn't a speck of a lie anywhere in the movie. I don't think any of us are accusing it of being otherwise. As mentioned prior, it's the purposeful neglect of presenting subjecting information for both sides of the war.

I mean, think about it, if it was ONLY about the oil, why not hit Saudi Arabia? No, there's a little more motivation to the war then some dirty money.

Don't get me wrong, I loathe both the war and the Bush administration, I just think Micheal Moore has become bigger then his pants.

[Quinn]

Originally Posted by StirCrazy

Genetics is a small part of behavior, while it may predispose a persons tendency to wards a specific pattern it is mostly environmental stimulus that will shape a person's behavioral pattern. so parents, surroundings, friends, on and on.

With all due respect, when did you finish your Ph.D in psychology Steve?

There are numerous theories on the origins of behaviour (and personality), and perhaps most popular among them at this time is biological or genetic theory. Also reasonably popular are cognition theory, social learning theory, and of course behaviourist theory, and they all have something to offer to this discussion.

This topic is highly relevant to numerous disciplines. A general trend in the sciences lately is convergence, in a way. Physics and chemistry are now significantly incorporated into biology, and psychology and biology, as we've seen, are coming together in a relatively new field called evolutionary psychology, which is also closely related to comparative psychology, and both, coincidentally, are fields the U of Lethbridge is strong in (versus, say, Calgary, which emphasizes applied psychology to a significant degree). The U of L is home to the Canadian Centre for Behavioural Neuroscience as well.

I don't have the figures handy but as I recall current estimates say that between 50% and 60% of our behaviour is the product of genetics. Of course there are significant interactions between genetics and environment.

I'll dig around some more and try to find out more about the relationship between genetics and "greed". I'm still waiting to hear back from the professor of mine on the issue. However, to say something is not influenced by genetics at all would be quite absurd.

[StirCrazy]

Originally Posted by teevee

With all due respect, when did you finish your Ph.D in psychology Steve? .

never claimed to have one {edited}.

Originally Posted by teevee

There are numerous theories on the origins of behavior .

exactly.. theorys... so the theory I have read is just as valid as any other as they are all theories.. no need to get ignorant teevee. If you want to point out the differences of newer theories compared to older ones that I know a tiny bit about then do so in a discussion type post not an attack.

Steve