Why not to use io salt

[crimper]

Originally Posted by TimT

Assumptions/generalizations are always risky and usually incorrect. So there's a funny saying... Assume = making an ASS out of U and ME

Normally I'm very hesitant to blame salt or other types of additives as it's usually something the hobbyist did or something that happened to the tank. This situation is different though. Spit.fire is an experienced hobbyist and able to discern if it was the salt, the water, the mixing pump or something he did. When combined with my own personal experiences with this salt, my knowledge of how much freight is for salt and the price it is sold for. I think it's a 90%+ chance it's the salt, but no one can know for sure.

If the salt mix had ammonia contamination it could easily do to a tank what was reported.

I use either D+D or Red Sea as they are made from evaporated ocean water.

Tim,

I'll throw this just for the sake of argument.

If you are the manufacturer of say X-Salt and you have one user claiming your salt nuke his tank without any concrete evidence leading to that claim. Are you gonna assume that he is right knowing he is Mr. Saltwater Guru?

Isn't it also a right of every forum member to know whether the claim is true or just a false claim?

I'm not saying that Spit.fire has a false claim, maybe he is right on this that the salt really nuke his tank. But for now we don't know as he can't give us concrete proof that the salt really nuke his tank aside from assumption.

I just feel that it is our obligations to the community to post facts not false claim is this kind of posts doesn't do the community any good. The forum should't be a place to post unsupported claims and defamatory posts.

Again, I'm not saying that Spit.fire is not correct on his claim. Up to this point, there is no concrete evidence on his claim aside from assumption. I have lots of respect to the guy as he is a very experience reefer.

I seldom posts here but rather read all informative posts that experience reefer post here, but I thought I need to throw this one out here.

[Skimmer Juice]

agree with crimper should be easy enough to make some water test it and see what was actually wrong with the salt ! It could help somebody out who bought that salt from the sale. I have a couple buckets from the sale and have already done water changes in both my tanks . Thread tittle's like this could scare people away from using a great product . It would be nice to see what in the salt caused it if possible

[gobytron]

Originally Posted by TimT

Assumptions/generalizations are always risky and usually incorrect. So there's a funny saying... Assume = making an ASS out of U and ME

Normally I'm very hesitant to blame salt or other types of additives as it's usually something the hobbyist did or something that happened to the tank. This situation is different though. Spit.fire is an experienced hobbyist and able to discern if it was the salt, the water, the mixing pump or something he did. When combined with my own personal experiences with this salt, my knowledge of how much freight is for salt and the price it is sold for. I think it's a 90%+ chance it's the salt, but no one can know for sure.

If the salt mix had ammonia contamination it could easily do to a tank what was reported


I use either D+D or Red Sea as they are made from evaporated ocean water.

Now who's making an ass out of u and me?

With no testing done, experience is irrelevant.

I think it's actually important to test this salt, many of us trust IO and have for a decade or more.

[TimT]

So before this gets out of hand due to mis understandings of intent and assumptions let me clarify and revise my thoughts and offer a suggestion to CanReef members and mods.

Originally Posted by Gobytron

Now who's making an ass out of u and me?

This was meant as a joke and not an attack. If I have offended you or anyone else I am sorry for that.

Originally Posted by Gobytron

With no testing done, experience is irrelevant.

I agree 100%. Testing is very important and will reveal a lot. An expert witness relies on their experience and also testing to back up their opinion. It was wrong of me to assume that straight experience was enough, no matter how much experience a person has.

Originally Posted by Gobytron

I think it's actually important to test this salt, many of us trust IO and have for a decade or more.

I agree.

My suggestion for community members and CanReef mods is this. Unless there is actual tests that reveal a problem with a product there should be no negative posts about that product. Mods should watch out for these posts and delete them as they occur.

Back to work...lunch breaks over. LoL