When Coral Coloration Matters; Fauna Marin Balling Light

[PFoster]

Originally Posted by uniboob

With FM you are dosing 5 things for the balling method correct?

With TM you only have 3 because the part " c " contains all the extra goodies that come in FM extra bottles.

Fauna Marin Balling Light is 3 parts.
Calcium
Alkalinity
Magnesium
All the extra trace elements are added into your ca/alk/mg respectively. These would be the extra "goodies" you are referring too, and they are added to the 3 salt mixes.

You just dose exactly what your tank needs according to its consumption rate.
FM is more for the avid hobbits that wants to feel the true heart beat of their tank.... and they are not interested in the people looking to keep stagnant ponds with high DOC's where there are no WC's being performed!!
Simple and easy to use

TM is 3 parts
CA
ALK
NaCl Free salt
Ca, alk and NaCL free salts all should be dose in the same proportion in order to maintain the proposed ionic balance.
BUT if your tank consumes more Magnesium you need to dose MG as well so
MG (optional/possible)
Its in the letter directly from TM, where he says you may need to dose additional MG.
And IF this is the case and IF this ionic balance is so important then what happens when you add Mg??? Now you are also adding more Cl, which means you are not in ionic balance!!
Does this really matter and will it hurt your tank?
NO, absolutely not!




Otherwise every single Kent, Seachem, FM, TM product out there would have crashed thousands of tanks by now.


With Full Balling, Balling Light, or 2 part it all boils down to the same thing.
You need to test your tank, see what your tank is consuming.

If you want to keep an lps/softies tank you can be lazy and check here and there and when you feel like it basically because your parameter consumption rates will be very low. WC's will often maintain your parameters
Honstly I could tell you the last time we checked the parameters on our LPS system and its LOADED with a lot of pricey pieces, but with our reg WC the params dont change much.

lps/sps
You need to check a bit more often, nothing to crazy hard core as your coral load isnt to extreme

Heavy sps load
now you really gotta check more often.
Hoe often really depends on the coral load and how much you are adding and taking away from the tank.
A nice mature display, once a week is probably good.
A newer display, you could have to check as often as every other day depending on how fanatical you are, how heavy you increase the load etc.
I consider myself to be a bit crazy, just slightly crazy about my sps. I hate parameters fluctuating so i probably check way more often than required....

[fury165]

Great post

Originally Posted by PFoster

Fauna Marin Balling Light is 3 parts.
Calcium
Alkalinity
Magnesium
All the extra trace elements are added into your ca/alk/mg respectively. These would be the extra "goodies" you are referring too, and they are added to the 3 salt mixes.

You just dose exactly what your tank needs according to its consumption rate.
FM is more for the avid hobbits that wants to feel the true heart beat of their tank.... and they are not interested in the people looking to keep stagnant ponds with high DOC's where there are no WC's being performed!!
Simple and easy to use

TM is 3 parts
CA
ALK
NaCl Free salt
Ca, alk and NaCL free salts all should be dose in the same proportion in order to maintain the proposed ionic balance.
BUT if your tank consumes more Magnesium you need to dose MG as well so
MG (optional/possible)
Its in the letter directly from TM, where he says you may need to dose additional MG.
And IF this is the case and IF this ionic balance is so important then what happens when you add Mg??? Now you are also adding more Cl, which means you are not in ionic balance!!
Does this really matter and will it hurt your tank?
NO, absolutely not!




Otherwise every single Kent, Seachem, FM, TM product out there would have crashed thousands of tanks by now.


With Full Balling, Balling Light, or 2 part it all boils down to the same thing.
You need to test your tank, see what your tank is consuming.

If you want to keep an lps/softies tank you can be lazy and check here and there and when you feel like it basically because your parameter consumption rates will be very low. WC's will often maintain your parameters
Honstly I could tell you the last time we checked the parameters on our LPS system and its LOADED with a lot of pricey pieces, but with our reg WC the params dont change much.

lps/sps
You need to check a bit more often, nothing to crazy hard core as your coral load isnt to extreme

Heavy sps load
now you really gotta check more often.
Hoe often really depends on the coral load and how much you are adding and taking away from the tank.
A nice mature display, once a week is probably good.
A newer display, you could have to check as often as every other day depending on how fanatical you are, how heavy you increase the load etc.
I consider myself to be a bit crazy, just slightly crazy about my sps. I hate parameters fluctuating so i probably check way more often than required....

[Tyson]

PFoster,
What would be your recommendations on someone running a zeo tank that's wants to switch from TM balling original to FM balling lite?
Would you not dose the Nacl free salt? Or nether of the zeo color additives.
Thnx, Tyson.


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[Amadod2]

i was looking into this system last week, but where can one get all of the products to start it up?
currently i dose alk, cal and mag and weekly i add trace elements, there system is just more accurate correct??

[PFoster]

Originally Posted by Amadod2

i was looking into this system last week, but where can one get all of the products to start it up?
currently i dose alk, cal and mag and weekly i add trace elements, there system is just more accurate correct??

What trace elements are you currently dosing?
The trace set that comes with the balling system may have a slight overlap, or it may not. Depends on what you are dosing.

Fauna uses a higher purity in their ca, all, and Mg.
Plus they add biopolymers to improve coral coloration.
Thats the main difference.

[PFoster]

Originally Posted by Tyson

PFoster,
What would be your recommendations on someone running a zeo tank that's wants to switch from TM balling original to FM balling lite?
Would you not dose the Nacl free salt? Or nether of the zeo color additives.
Thnx, Tyson.


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Sorry for my absence. We have been swamped with the new warehouse.
And yes pic will follow soon

You can dose the Nacl free salts.
We do have them in stock. They are the old containers as nobody really uses the old system anymore, but the pics of that tank that have been posted all over are the with the Nacl free salts from Fauna.

Personally i do not use them and have been running Balling Light for many many many years now.


Now running the Trace elements sets with zeo.
The trace set that come with the balling light package are the trace elements that are absorbed in proportion to the ca, alk and Mg.
So yes they should work with your zeo system regardless of what you are dosing.

[Tyson]

Thnx PFoster, I'll post when I pick them up for some dosing help.


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[Tyson]

Originally Posted by PFoster

Sorry for my absence. We have been swamped with the new warehouse.

And yes pic will follow soon



You can dose the Nacl free salts.

We do have them in stock. They are the old containers as nobody really uses the old system anymore, but the pics of that tank that have been posted all over are the with the Nacl free salts from Fauna.



Personally i do not use them and have been running Balling Light for many many many years now.





Now running the Trace elements sets with zeo.

The trace set that come with the balling light package are the trace elements that are absorbed in proportion to the ca, alk and Mg.

So yes they should work with your zeo system regardless of what you are dosing.

Hey PFoster,

Just picked up the FM balling light Cal and ALK, I'm about to switch over from the last of the TM balling salts, I've been using around 86ml a day of both solutions dosed from a 2.5L vertex container, is there a cross over from TM to FM balling light ? Like if I'm using 86ml a day or TM what would that be in FM?

Or is FM more concentrated and thus a dose and test dose and test is what I need to do?

Thnx again.


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[Kwood]

Hey, this is Patrick posting from Kwoods account here quickly.

I somehow logged out of canreef and cant recall my password.
mods/admins I have tried to reset my password several times now and its not working so please give me a hand here!!

Not ignoring you Tyson, just trying to post under my name!!

Hopefully we can get this fixed by tomorrow or I will hijack Kevin comp again tomorrow and write a proper response for you.
Feel free to call me too.
But def will make a post to give you a hand here.

[tparsons]

Quick and easy answer is yes you will need to dose and test dose and test as the purities are not the same between the systems.

Perhaps we should do a test here and mix up a batch of the TM salts so that we can test it on a system and offer a "transition" formula for those coming over to the "colourful" side