Ok, let's hear it!

[Aquattro]

Originally Posted by Madreefer

I wish I could compare the cost of MH vs LED. The week I switched over from MHs to LED there was a smart meter installed on my house. My hydro bill stayed the same at $500 for 2 months. Im getting hammered on with out getting dinner first But smart meters are a different topic all together.

Ya, I got mine exactly at switch over time on LEDs, and bill never changed. Not even flowers....

[StirCrazy]

I have been following this thread and it is turning into another advertising campaign by aqua digital, frankly the mitras are a OK led, and if they wern't so over priced I would consider buying one, are they better than other grouped cluster LEDs nope, do they have a few more features maybe but software functions don't increase the cost of the hardware. I am really getting tired of lighting discussions turning into advertising so companies please try to keep your soap box advertising to your own forum area so the rest of us can read unbiased posts.

now it may be just me getting tired of this and if so I am sorry, but I don't think it is just me.

Steve

[lastlight]

FREE PUKANI!

[Proteus]

Originally Posted by StirCrazy

I have been following this thread and it is turning into another advertising campaign by aqua digital, frankly the mitras are a OK led, and if they wern't so over priced I would consider buying one, are they better than other grouped cluster LEDs nope, do they have a few more features maybe but software functions don't increase the cost of the hardware. I am really getting tired of lighting discussions turning into advertising so companies please try to keep your soap box advertising to your own forum area so the rest of us can read unbiased posts.

now it may be just me getting tired of this and if so I am sorry, but I don't think it is just me.

Steve

Nailed it

[jorjef]

Originally Posted by StirCrazy

I have been following this thread and it is turning into another advertising campaign by aqua digital, frankly the mitras are a OK led, and if they wern't so over priced I would consider buying one, are they better than other grouped cluster LEDs nope, do they have a few more features maybe but software functions don't increase the cost of the hardware. I am really getting tired of lighting discussions turning into advertising so companies please try to keep your soap box advertising to your own forum area so the rest of us can read unbiased posts.

now it may be just me getting tired of this and if so I am sorry, but I don't think it is just me.

Steve

HEY that's what i wanted to say a few pages back, but in a less diplomatic way. Due to my two strike status i opted for the short outburst request and subtle hinting of an over zealous poster hoping for some traction to get it shut down.. Glad to see it's elevated to the much more entertaining gong show..

[Aqua-Digital]

Originally Posted by StirCrazy

I have been following this thread and it is turning into another advertising campaign by aqua digital, frankly the mitras are a OK led, and if they wern't so over priced I would consider buying one, are they better than other grouped cluster LEDs nope, do they have a few more features maybe but software functions don't increase the cost of the hardware. I am really getting tired of lighting discussions turning into advertising so companies please try to keep your soap box advertising to your own forum area so the rest of us can read unbiased posts.

now it may be just me getting tired of this and if so I am sorry, but I don't think it is just me.

Steve

Oh here we go was waiting for that gem. Steve you are wrong, I am actually being a hobbyist that has played with LED's for years, funny I can join in on RC with the same thread and I am welcomed and my views taken as a hobbyist, but canreef, its a different breed. Cmon buddy I am allowed to be a human being also I dont need anyones permission, just because we distribute a product, so what least we can give accurate insight on the flip side of the coin.

Fyi no post on here is unbiased we all have our own "biased" views to share, thats what a personal opinion is.

Lets not turn this into a personal attack, this thread has been fun lets not ruin it. I stayed up late last night joining in the banter as a hobbyist and it was a pleasure to be involved. Lets not ruin this. Why should my interest in the hobby be sidelined just because you feel I am not one of you guys. I apologise for not asking permission first.

[Reef Pilot]

Originally Posted by mrhasan

Since I am the only non-LED user over here, I would like to be pointed out where I mislead. Cost-benefit? Electricity savings? Well, that's the two part I talked about. There's obviously a cut-off region for those two to get inverted from their typical outcome (the numbers of years for cost-benefit would significantly decrease and electricity savings will be huge) but those are for HUGE tank sizes. Like a 8' or a 10' tank.

This is a pretty fast moving thread.... But please don't get mad at me...LOL. I did not say or suggest that you or any non-LED users were misleading. Instead I said you were being misled,... big difference.

And in your case specifically, you are probably a good example of this. You have no direct experience with LED, yet you seem to be taking the side against LEDs and choose who you want to quote or back up your argument. If you want to talk about cost savings, why don't you go back and read my earlier post in this thread where I gave some real data on my usage and savings.

[mrhasan]

Originally Posted by Reef Pilot

This is a pretty fast moving thread.... But please don't get mad at me...LOL. I did not say or suggest that you or any non-LED users were misleading. Instead I said you were being misled,... big difference.

And in your case specifically, you are probably a good example of this. You have no direct experience with LED, yet you seem to be taking the side against LEDs and choose who you want to quote or back up your argument. If you want to talk about cost savings, why don't you go back and read my earlier post in this thread where I gave some real data on my usage and savings.

There's nothing to be mad over here. There's are all healthy arguments and thats why the forum is for.

I am not taking side again't LED, I am being against the cost savings

Aha, found the numbers. Sorry I didn't notice that post Can you please let me know how many T5s were you running (including the watt and the hours of running) and how many radions (which model? that will factor in the cost) you are running over the two tanks? I will do a calculation and see how things look. Your numbers are something that I needed. Thanks for posting those btw

[Reef Pilot]

Originally Posted by mrhasan

There's nothing to be mad over here. There's are all healthy arguments and thats why the forum is for.

I am not taking side again't LED, I am being against the cost savings

Aha, found the numbers. Sorry I didn't notice that post Can you please let me know how many T5s were you running (including the watt and the hours of running) and how many radions (which model? that will factor in the cost) you are running over the two tanks? I will do a calculation and see how things look. Your numbers are something that I needed. Thanks for posting those btw

Well, that's good (liking healthy arguments). Candor without malice, is what we used to say in the corporate world where I worked.

We used to live and die by all the numbers, and stretched and shrunk them every quarter (with the help of our creative accountants) to make our owners and shareholders happy. But I'm retired now, and have to say I hate numbers now, and do my best not to overly manage my personal finance, including how much I spend on reefing, etc. I just know it is a lot, and anything I can do to cut it back a bit (without compromising the quality and pleasure of my hobby experience) is good. So, no, I am not going to get out the meters and check my exact power usage, or calculate all my equipment cost and depreciation, etc. That would take much of the fun out of this hobby...

All I can tell you, is that my canopy (6 foot tank) was totally jammed with T5s before. They were very hot, and I know used a lot of power, incl the chiller and all the bulb costs. My LEDs on the other hand are very cool (in comparison to the T5s), and are basically maintenance free. Any adjustments are made with my computer.

[mrhasan]

Originally Posted by Reef Pilot

Well, that's good (liking healthy arguments). Candor without malice, is what we used to say in the corporate world where I worked.

We used to live and die by all the numbers, and stretched and shrunk them every quarter (with the help of our creative accountants) to make our owners and shareholders happy. But I'm retired now, and have to say I hate numbers now, and do my best not to overly manage my personal finance, including how much I spend on reefing, etc. I just know it is a lot, and anything I can do to cut it back a bit (without compromising the quality and pleasure of my hobby experience) is good. So, no, I am not going to get out the meters and check my exact power usage, or calculate all my equipment cost and depreciation, etc. That would take much of the fun out of this hobby...

All I can tell you, is that my canopy (6 foot tank) was totally jammed with T5s before. They were very hot, and I know used a lot of power, incl the chiller and all the bulb costs. My LEDs on the other hand are very cool (in comparison to the T5s), and are basically maintenance free. Any adjustments are made with my computer.

No no no you don't to take out the meters. Just the numbers of T5s, the watt of heaters T5s and the radion gen and how many. I sent you a PM for convenience. Just the name plate numbers