Warranty issues with Ford F350

[mseepman]

Originally Posted by Slick Fork

Because they sure don't mind taking money out of the states, it's probably one of their biggest markets. You would think that they would want to support the people who write their paycheques in a time of crisis. Volkswagen and Hyundai also contributed.

I wasn't trying to make the point to bash the imports per se, just trying to show that there are many good reasons to support home-made products. Here's a cut and paste of the email I got, it was a CNN report

CNN Headline News did a short news listing regarding Ford and GM's contributions to the relief and recovery efforts in New York and Washington after 9-11.

The findings are as follows.....

1. Ford- $10 million to American Red Cross matching employee contributions of the same number plus 10 Excursions to NY Fire Dept. The company also offered ER response ! team se rvices and office space to displaced government employees.

2. GM- $10 million to American Red Cross matching employee contributions of the sam e number and a fleet of vans, suv's, and trucks.

3. Daimler Chrysler- $10 million to support of the children and victims of the Sept. 11 attack.

4. Harley Davidson motorcycles- $1 million and 30 new motorcycles to the
New York Police Dept.

5. Volkswagen-Employ ees and management created a Sept 11 Foundation,
funded initial with $2 million, for the assistance of the children and victims of the WTC.

6. Hyundai- $300,000 to the American Red Cross.

7. Audi-Nothing.

8. BMW-Nothing.

9. Daewoo- Nothing.

10. Fiat-Nothing.

11. Honda- Nothing despite boasting of second best sales month ever in
August 2001

12. Isuzu- Nothing.

13. Mitsubishi-Nothing.

14. Nissan-Nothing.

15. Porsche-Nothing. Press release with condolences via the Porsche website.

16. Subaru- Nothing.

17. Suzuki- Nothing.

18. Toyota-Nothing despite claims of high sales in July and August 2001.
Condolences posted on the website
Whenever the time may be for you to purchase or lease a new vehicle, keep this information in mind. You might want to give more consideration to a car manufactured by an American-owned and / or American based company. Apart from Hyundai and Volkswagen, the foreign car companies contributed nothing at all to the citizens of the United States ...
It's OK for these companies to take money out of this country, but it is apparently not acceptable to return some in a time of crisis. I believe we should not forget things like this. Say thank you in a way that gets their attention..

I am not surprised by the numbers provided above. The "BIG 3" still tend to be the "big givers" when it comes to charities.

[GreenSpottedPuffer]

Originally Posted by Slick Fork

Whenever the time may be for you to purchase or lease a new vehicle, keep this information in mind. You might want to give more consideration to a car manufactured by an American-owned and / or American based company. Apart from Hyundai and Volkswagen, the foreign car companies contributed nothing at all to the citizens of the United States ...
It's OK for these companies to take money out of this country, but it is apparently not acceptable to return some in a time of crisis. I believe we should not forget things like this. Say thank you in a way that gets their attention..

Because they are taking money out of the states? You do realize people WILLINGLY buy their products right? No one is forcing anyone to buy a car manufactured in another country...

Well I am American and will still buy an Audi every time. Best car I have ever owned. My father kept bugging me to try an Audi (He owns 3) but I kept resisting...now I have no idea why!

To be honest, I will never buy a car based on who is giving what to charity. I will also never support any of those big three after this bailout...I am giving them enough money as it is now...not willingly.

[midgetwaiter]

Originally Posted by Slick Fork

CNN Headline News did a short news listing regarding Ford and GM's contributions to the relief and recovery efforts in New York and Washington after 9-11.

The findings are as follows.....

1. Ford- $10 million to American Red Cross matching employee contributions of the same number plus 10 Excursions to NY Fire Dept. The company also offered ER response ! team se rvices and office space to displaced government employees.

2. GM- $10 million to American Red Cross matching employee contributions of the sam e number and a fleet of vans, suv's, and trucks.

3. Daimler Chrysler- $10 million to support of the children and victims of the Sept. 11 attack.

4. Harley Davidson motorcycles- $1 million and 30 new motorcycles to the
New York Police Dept.

5. Volkswagen-Employ ees and management created a Sept 11 Foundation,
funded initial with $2 million, for the assistance of the children and victims of the WTC.

6. Hyundai- $300,000 to the American Red Cross.

7. Audi-Nothing.

8. BMW-Nothing.

9. Daewoo- Nothing.

10. Fiat-Nothing.

11. Honda- Nothing despite boasting of second best sales month ever in
August 2001

12. Isuzu- Nothing.

13. Mitsubishi-Nothing.

14. Nissan-Nothing.

15. Porsche-Nothing. Press release with condolences via the Porsche website.

16. Subaru- Nothing.

17. Suzuki- Nothing.

18. Toyota-Nothing despite claims of high sales in July and August 2001.
Condolences posted on the website

Something to keep in mind for the future, if you get a "CNN Report" or some such in your email at random it's probably a load of bullshat.

http://www.snopes.com/rumors/automakers.asp

[Slick Fork]

Thanks for the link to correct that.

Green: Of course I realize that nobody is having their arm twisted to buy an import. Good for you that you drive an Audi, they are fantastic cars and if one suited my lifestyle I would have no hesitation to buy one. Unfortunately an Audi coupe just won't pull my horse trailer

The only point that I was really trying to make is that the relentless domestic bashing gets really tiresome considering none of it is based on facts.

MSeepman summed up the state of the industry quite well so I won't rehash it yet again but at the end of the day the "cars that nobody wants" still account for over 75% of the new vehicle market in North America. The problems are with overpaid union workers, insane pensions and benefits, etc. Not the sales end. The imports are in just as much trouble but because they are not North American companies we don't seem to hear the news.

And like I mentioned before, the bailout is a loan, not a hand-out and the cost to taxpayers will be many times greater if any of the big 3 go into chapter 11 (which is re-structuring, not liquidation and would probably be better for the company but catastrophic for their workers)

[GreenSpottedPuffer]

Originally Posted by Slick Fork

Thanks for the link to correct that.

Green: Of course I realize that nobody is having their arm twisted to buy an import. Good for you that you drive an Audi, they are fantastic cars and if one suited my lifestyle I would have no hesitation to buy one. Unfortunately an Audi coupe just won't pull my horse trailer

The only point that I was really trying to make is that the relentless domestic bashing gets really tiresome considering none of it is based on facts.

MSeepman summed up the state of the industry quite well so I won't rehash it yet again but at the end of the day the "cars that nobody wants" still account for over 75% of the new vehicle market in North America. The problems are with overpaid union workers, insane pensions and benefits, etc. Not the sales end. The imports are in just as much trouble but because they are not North American companies we don't seem to hear the news.

And like I mentioned before, the bailout is a loan, not a hand-out and the cost to taxpayers will be many times greater if any of the big 3 go into chapter 11 (which is re-structuring, not liquidation and would probably be better for the company but catastrophic for their workers)

Yes and I do understand what you are saying and agree to a point. I actually was never bashing the actual domestic car manufacturers, I just agreed with the poster that said they disagreed with the bailout. None of what I have been saying is based on actual cars Just the situation where I think these companies may have been able to manage their businesses better.

I think you know more about the bailout than I do...Did FORD Canada not turn down the money? I believe they did not need it?

Anyways...I also agree that this was not the place to start a big debate.

Oh and I don't drive anything anymore I decided having a car when living in the city was totally unnecessary. For me anyways...I work from home and rarely go anywhere that is not within walking distance. Just the fish shops but then I get a ride