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Old 11-16-2008, 07:48 PM
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In regards to you wanting a years worth of testing first before purchasing our fixture, I assume you will be waiting a year, other than that to meet your criteria for testing you will have to go for the other lamp you suggest, if of course it is still available, I have struggled in research to find adequate supply chain of this unit, but maybe I am lacking somewhere.

To clear this testing up and get back to the actual lamp thread, Fauna will do the same that all other light manufacturers do in regards to product launch and new products. As there is no accurate governing body in testing such equipment other than certification testing the lamp, we (just as other main stream manufactuers) will not be giving/loaning/selling cheap to any hobbyist or such like that states they have some sort of knowledge in testing a fixture.

Why - As you have all debated, there is no warrantable body out there that ALL could trust.

So we, just like all other manufacturers, will use buyer feedback to decide on the lamp, this is no different than geissman or other quality brands.

What we will do however is continue to answer your questions openly and make sure our dealers have access to demo units to display to you prior to purchase.

There is always a draw back with providing such open pre launch information as this, interested parties will always argue above and beyond what is feasibly possible for a manufacturer to agree to.

Please keep your great technical questions about this important fixture coming

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Old 11-16-2008, 08:03 PM
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Hi Last Light

I hope to have true pictures in the next 10 days, and i agree clear percise pictures are very important and something I will make sure is made available
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Old 11-16-2008, 08:34 PM
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And I'm expecting a price between $800.00 and $1000.00, or I will go with the PowerModule.

In my view the over $1000.00 price niche for lights is reserved for the wealthy, or dedicated fanatical reefers. Either of these groups is likely to go with the fixture that has an established reputation as being a high-end product.
An 8 lamp 48" ATI Powermodule without lamps is $900 USD from ReefGeek - your only real option for getting a new fixture. You're going to pay the currently hefty exchange rate, duty, brokerage charges, and shipping charges on top of that (in addition to GST and PST which you'd pay for any light purchased within BC or from the US) which is going to far exceed your $1000 ceiling. I guess I'm confused that you take issue with the "over $1000.00 price range" while at the same time saying "or I will go with the PowerModule" when the Powermodule will likely cost around $1300 without lamps and before tax, and you'll end up waiting about 2-3 months to get it.

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Obviously there will be severe flaws in any testing of aquarium equipment. The testing is not randomized or blinded. No one has the time or money to hang 200 T5 pendants side by side and grow corals under them for a year.
Obviously no one is going to go to that trouble. The problem is that the "testing" you wanted done by Grim is so far from being even remotely valid or even reliable that it's laughable that you would suggest you would base a purchase decision on his "testing." As far as I know he has one sample of each of the fixtures he tests and a few samples of various reflectors, ballasts and lamps. You keep talking about hanging 200 pendants side by side and growing corals under them for a year but that is so far from the "testing" that Grim does that I'm utterly confused. He measures PAR of lamps and reflectors and takes pictures of the color emitted by lamps. To date I've never seen him perform any comparisons of coral growth or coloration with respect to fixture, lamp, ballast, or reflector design.
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Old 11-16-2008, 09:12 PM
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Very interesting, just been on RG web site and they have removed ATI from the site.

Wander why

I can not find anywhere in the whole of North America selling this fixture.

So back to the Great new fauna fixture then

Canadian also brings up a valid point here that is a direct benefit to all Canada consumers. The Fauna products are purchased in Euro's converted into CAD and as such not effected by the inflated USD, so you really will pay less than you would for any comparible unit coming out the States for sure, including no import Tax or crazy shipping prices

The biggest benefit for the canadian consumer is stability in retail price. We are getting more an more enquires from new European manufacturers seeking a canada based distributor exactly for this reason.

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