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There go the chairs again....everyone duck!!!

[Aquattro]

Originally Posted by superduperwesman

You made that choice and all of this is just part of the job description.

That's crap. We do this to enjoy the hobby, not as full time jobs, and our "job description" will be what we decide it is, not what anyone else thinks it should be. IMO, Canreef was just fine last week without this, and I vote we go back to it. At this point, it's that, or it stays the way it is and we'll review it in the fall. This has gone on enough.

[sharuq1]

Agreed

IMO, Canreef was just fine last week without this, and I vote we go back to it.

Despite posting suggestions on this thread to try to help, I also think it was fine before all this. Just my .02

[Myka]

superduperwesman has a mere 64 posts, but succeeds in ****ing off the mods fully.

[superduperwesman]

Originally Posted by Aquattro

That's crap. We do this to enjoy the hobby, not as full time jobs, and our "job description" will be what we decide it is, not what anyone else thinks it should be. IMO, Canreef was just fine last week without this, and I vote we go back to it. At this point, it's that, or it stays the way it is and we'll review it in the fall. This has gone on enough.

With great power comes great responsibility

Like I said... it's not and easy job

But I honestly think everyone is just trying to make things better and sometimes you gotta go through the crap to get to the other side and right now thats what we're all doing

If Canreef was "just fine last week" this never would have started

[Doug]

Originally Posted by Aquattro

That's crap. We do this to enjoy the hobby, not as full time jobs, and our "job description" will be what we decide it is, not what anyone else thinks it should be. IMO, Canreef was just fine last week without this, and I vote we go back to it. At this point, it's that, or it stays the way it is and we'll review it in the fall. This has gone on enough.

Sorry, I,m missing this dandy "DISCUSSION". Seems I,m a bit busy. Gee, we have a life.

Was kind of my thoughts to Brad, but as Christy has put so much work into it and wishes to try another way, I ok with that.

I for one, never understood the need for vendor reviews. This is an aquarium board, "HOBBY". Since when the heck did we become responsible for retailers, regardless if they sponsor the board or not.

They sponsor to advertise, like all business does. It does not make Canreef or any other boards, responsible for any one particular stores business practice.

Anyways, right or wrong, thats my thoughts. Look at this mess now, because we tried to make it better.

Either way will not please everyone. Nowhere, on any public board. Period.

[Delphinus]

Originally Posted by superduperwesman

I never understand why mods complain about how they don't get paid and how much time they volunteer... exactly you don't do it because you have to. You do it because you want to. You volunteer. You made that choice and all of this is just part of the job description.

In the same breath I'm not saying it's easy, and I'm not saying you should all just quit because obviously we need you as much as you need us but I'm just saying we all make the beds we sleep in.

Exactly. And if given the option, I choose to make a bed that is comfortable for me to sleep in, not one made of nails.

My point being is that there is no incentive to make something harder than it needs to be. It's not about a financial incentive, it's about doing something that reaps a reward. I see little reward in repeated hashing over the same points again and again. Thus, until membership asks for me to be removed ... or until the day I decide to leave the board ... you have to put up with me as a moderator here. And my position on this is it this issue needlessly polarizes the membership, and there is little to be gained from it all. Luckily, I am but one voice on the staff here so if you feel this unreasonable, feel free to garner support from any of the other staff members who you feel might be sympathetic to your cause.

Canreef does have buy/sell forums which does kinda put you in the ebay category > buyer and seller meeting ground. And wherever that happens problems arise.. again for whatever reason Canreef choose to have those types of forums and this all kinda goes with the territory.

Respectfully, I disagree with this as well. The buy/sell/trade function is intended as a sideline because we all end up with equipment weno longer use. Ebay is as close to a free-for-all, if it's sellable, you likely can buy it on ebay. And good for them, I'm glad they're there, I use them all the time. But ebay is about business and each and every transaction on ebay results in revenue to the enterprise. Canreef is in no such category nor does it wish to be.

Being "Canreef" and not ebay or reefcentral does not mean there is nothing that can be learned from these other successful sites, which is why they have been mentioned, not to bash Canreef but to make it better and like this thread has established no one is ever 100% including Canreef and the sucky part is it takes work to get things great which is what we are ALL doing in this thread... working to make Canreef better

Frankly I think Canreef is doing just fine being Canreef. And who's to say those other sites can't learn something from us? If it wasn't already a somewhat successful model then the bandwidth costs would likely be far less than what they are. So while suggestions for improvement are always welcomed, recognize that not all of them are workable and thus not all will always be adopted.

[Aquattro]

Originally Posted by Delphinus

Luckily, I am but one voice on the staff here so if you feel this unreasonable, feel free to garner support from any of the other staff members who you feel might be sympathetic to your cause.

Tony, you mirror everyone else's thoughts on the staff. Thanks again for your input.

[superduperwesman]

Originally Posted by Delphinus

Exactly. And if given the option, I choose to make a bed that is comfortable for me to sleep in, not one made of nails.

My point being is that there is no incentive to make something harder than it needs to be. It's not about a financial incentive, it's about doing something that reaps a reward. I see little reward in repeated hashing over the same points again and again. Thus, until membership asks for me to be removed ... or until the day I decide to leave the board ... you have to put up with me as a moderator here. And my position on this is it this issue needlessly polarizes the membership, and there is little to be gained from it all. Luckily, I am but one voice on the staff here so if you feel this unreasonable, feel free to garner support from any of the other staff members who you feel might be sympathetic to your cause.



Respectfully, I disagree with this as well. The buy/sell/trade function is intended as a sideline because we all end up with equipment weno longer use. Ebay is as close to a free-for-all, if it's sellable, you likely can buy it on ebay. And good for them, I'm glad they're there, I use them all the time. But ebay is about business and each and every transaction on ebay results in revenue to the enterprise. Canreef is in no such category nor does it wish to be.



Frankly I think Canreef is doing just fine being Canreef. And who's to say those other sites can't learn something from us? If it wasn't already a somewhat successful model then the bandwidth costs would likely be far less than what they are. So while suggestions for improvement are always welcomed, recognize that not all of them are workable and thus not all will always be adopted.

You say "put up" like I want you gone? I don't! I do think the mods do a good job and sometimes the "one voice" just needs a little help from some other voices. I'm glad people help me which is why I try to offer a useful opinion because no one has all the answers. And I don't claim to either which is why I keep referencing others (reencentral, nanoreef, ebay).


I said it was kinda the same as ebay (sideline buy/sell = kinda) which is why things might be able to be borrowed from them.


I never said that other sites couldn't learn from Canreef I think they could... and I know not all suggests are workable I'm just throwing some out. Not even ones I can take credit for because I stole them

[Myka]

Aw...I missed the "interesting" part!!! Dangit!

Originally Posted by Delphinus

The bandwidth that is required for this site is staggering - thus the costs to keep the board running reflect that - thus we enlisted the aid of vendors to sponsor the site to be able to keep it as a free resource for all. We thank vendors for their support because without them there will be no Canreef as it exists right now.

I see both sides to the story, although I tend to agree with this A LOT.

You can find out how reputable a vendor is just by asking a simple question: "Can you guys recommend a good vendor for ______ in my area.online/etc please?" Simple. Done. You can bet you will receive a PM or two about vendors to avoid as well.