Swine Flu/H1N1 Vaccination - Yes or No?

[kien]

has anyone who has taken the vaccine turned into a zombie yet???

.. dang, where'd I put that shotgun..

[Myka]

I'm all freaked out today because I feel like I am getting sick. Feels like a head cold. I hope it stays that way.

Sorry to hear about your condition BlueTang, and your co-worker. That is scary.

[GreenSpottedPuffer]

Originally Posted by kien

has anyone who has taken the vaccine turned into a zombie yet???

.. dang, where'd I put that shotgun..

Yes. I read about it on the internet.

[intarsiabox]

Originally Posted by Myka

I'm all freaked out today because I feel like I am getting sick. Feels like a head cold. I hope it stays that way.

Sorry to hear about your condition BlueTang, and your co-worker. That is scary.

I wouldn't freak out too much, there is still lots of other colds and flus going around not just H1N1. Tis the season! A lot of people that have gotten the swine flu didn't even know they had it, everyone get effected differently. Whether people get the vaccine or not we can't live our lives in fear or paranoia otherwise we're not living at all.

[FitoPharmer]

here's GlaxoSmithKline's own product fact sheet,
please read:
http://preventdisease.com/news/pdf/G...tober_2009.pdf
"List of Excipients
Antigen suspension vial: Thimerosal, sodium chloride, disodium hydrogen phosphate, potassium dihydrogen phosphate, potassium chloride, water for injections. The drug substance contains trace residual amounts of egg proteins, formaldehyde, sodium deoxycholate and sucrose.
Adjuvant emulsion vial: sodium chloride, disodium hydrogen phosphate, potassium dihydrogen phosphate, potassium chloride, water for injections."

then down near the bottom
"What the important nonmedicinal ingredients are:
Thimerosal,a mercury derivative is added as preservative. Each dose contains 2.5 micrograms of mercury. Other ingredients include: squalene, vitamin E, polysorbate 80 and trace amounts of egg proteins, formaldehyde, sodium deoxycholate and sucrose."

then the side effects!
"As with all medicines, AREPANRIX™ H1N1can cause side effects. The very common and common side effects are usually mild and should only last a day or two.
Very common (may occur with more than 1 in 10 doses):
• Pain at the injection site
• Headache
• Fatigue
• Redness or swelling at the injection site
• Shivering
• Sweating
• Aching muscles, joint pain
Common (may occur with up to 1 in 10 doses):
• Reactions at the injection site such as bruising, itching and warmth
• Fever
• Swollen lympth nodes
• Feeling sick, diarrhea
Uncommon (may occur with up to 1 in 100 doses):
• Dizziness
• Generally feeling unwell
• Unusual weakness
• Vomiting, stomach pain, uncomfortable feeling in the stomach or belching after eating
• Inability to sleep
• Tingling or numbness of the hands or feet
• Shortness of breath
• Pain in the chest
• Itching, rash
• Pain in the back or neck, stiffness in the muscles, muscle spasms, pain in extremity such as leg or hand
Rare (may occur with up to 1 in 1000 doses):
• Allergic reactions leading to a dangerous decrease of blood pressure, which, if untreated, may lead to shock. Doctors are aware of this possibility and have emergency treatment available for use in such cases
• Fits
• Severe stabbing or throbbing pain along one or more nerves
• Low blood platelet count which can result in bleeding or bruising
Very Rare (may occur with up to 1 in 10,000 doses):
• Vasculitis (inflammation of the blood vessels which can cause skin rashes, joint pain and kidney problems)
• Neurological disorders such as encephalomyelitis (inflammation of the central nervous system), neuritis (inflammation of nerves) and a type of paralysis known a Guillain-Barré Syndrome
If any of these side effects occur, please tell your doctor or nurse immediately. If any of the side effects gets serious, or if you notice any side effects not listed in this leaflet, please
tell your doctor."

what concerns me chemically: Thimerosal, formaldehyde, polysorbate 80, squalene.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thiomersal
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Formaldehyde
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Squalene
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polysorbate_80
or call the company or the people administering the vaccine and ask:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g4O8beEBxdQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2QKNhgdno10

...... long story short , i would never get one, especially for a virus as weak as the H1N1.
4000-8000 Canadians will die this year of normal flu. there is so much mis/dis-information out there its hard to make any kind of educated choice so i go with my gut. and for a long time i haven't had the most trust in the government. i mean who would come to trust some person who comes to extort you every year?
ex⋅tor⋅tion
  /ɪkˈstɔrʃən/ [ik-stawr-shuhn]
–noun
1. an act or instance of extorting.
2. Law. the crime of obtaining money or some other thing of value by the abuse of one's office or authority.
3. oppressive or illegal exaction, as of excessive price or interest: the extortions of usurers.
4. anything extorted.
and as for the conspiracy side of this discussion
con⋅spir⋅a⋅cy
  /kənˈspɪrəsi/[kuhn-spir-uh-see]
–noun, plural -cies.
1. the act of conspiring.
2. an evil, unlawful, treacherous, or surreptitious plan formulated in secret by two or more persons; plot.
3. a combination of persons for a secret, unlawful, or evil purpose: He joined the conspiracy to overthrow the government.
4. Law. an agreement by two or more persons to commit a crime, fraud, or other wrongful act.
5. any concurrence in action; combination in bringing about a given result.
did someone say Monsanto?
or the IMF?
or the UN for that matter...
history has shown that governments are by far the worst of the isms to plague humanity.
Stalin
Mao
Hitler
i know 2 of the 3 were for drugging the water with chemicals like fluoride to make a docile population.
3 of 3 were for gun control.
3 of 3 were for central banking.
and the list goes on
the swine flu or h1n1 really is a joke in our world today.
what about the starving and homeless? how many die each year from having no or not enough food, or no or not enough shelter? or have a severely impaired life because of it. or even worse what about the people who die from easily treated diseases, like Diarrhea http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diarrhea
i'm sure it makes the 4000-8000 Canadians that die from normal flu every year seem pretty meager.

food for thought?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QeYgLLahHv8

[marie]

Originally Posted by FitoPharmer

....
i'm sure it makes the 4000-8000 Canadians that die from normal flu every year seem pretty meager.

food for thought?

Your right 4000-8000 is pretty meager....until it's your own 13 yr old, otherwise healthy, son/daughter that dies from something as mild as the flu

[Ron99]

Originally Posted by FitoPharmer

then the side effects!...

These are exactly the same potential side effects from any vaccine ever made. The risk profile is the same. So you're either okay with vaccines in general or you're not. The vast majority of people will have no side effects or at most soreness at the injections site. Some people will feel a bit ill with aches and pains or headaches or nausea etc. This is probably from your immune system ramping up to produce antibodies due to the vaccine.

The uncommon side effects are very rare and do not generally even happen 1 in a 1000.

Originally Posted by FitoPharmer

what concerns me chemically: Thimerosal, formaldehyde, polysorbate 80, squalene.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thiomersal
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Formaldehyde
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Squalene
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polysorbate_80
or call the company or the people administering the vaccine and ask:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g4O8beEBxdQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2QKNhgdno10

Do you really believe everything you see on youtube or read on wikipedia? Wikipedia is notoriously inaccurate because anybody from the public can go on there and write or edit content.

Those youtube videos are ridiculous and again are a product of fear and ignorance. The vaccine does not contain elemental mercury or organomercury compounds. Thimerosal has low toxicity and is rapidly excreted from your body anyhow. You need to go back and read my earlier post.

The amount of these components is tiny and well below any level that will cause toxicity. There is less mercury in a shot of vaccine then in a can of tuna (which incidently is in the more toxic organomercury form). If you are that concerned about mercury you better not eat fish anymore.

Squalene is a common ingredient in moisturizing lotions and is also safe unless you take in huge amounts. Trace amounts of formaldehyde means barely detectable in the vaccine. Your own body probably produces more formaldehyde through your own metabolism then you will find in the vaccine and has mechanisms to deal with and excrete it. One thing people need to realize is that pretty much everything and anything is toxic. It all depends on how much you are exposed to. The small amounts of these compounds found in the vaccine are not toxic. I REPEAT, NOT TOXIC.

Sorry to yell but the FUDD being generated around this vaccine is really starting to annoy me. Those youtube videos are nothing but an uninformed layperson panicking over something he clearly does not understand.

While H1N1 is currently not the most deadly flu ever, it is more serious then the normal seasonal flu. It IS causing the deaths of people who would not normally be considered at risk from regular seasonal flu and it IS more dangerous to those with other underlying medical conditions.

My bigger worry is that the more people infected and the more it spreads, the greater the chance it could mutate into an even more virulent and deadly strain. Large scale vaccination can help prevent that.

I think I need to make a youtube video about how H1N1 is going to mutate and kill us all and therefore we all need to be vaccinated

[FitoPharmer]

Your right 4000-8000 is pretty meager....until it's your own 13 yr old, otherwise healthy, son/daughter that dies from something as mild as the flu

again million die yearly due to things that are more preventable then h1n1. so i guess at that point i would have to weigh the price of my son/daughter's life against someone else's son/daughter's life.....

Do you really believe everything you see on youtube or read on wikipedia? Wikipedia is notoriously inaccurate because anybody from the public can go on there and write or edit content.

whats the difference between what you say and Wikipedia? bring me some facts bro. your just saying things. not to say they arnt true. i would just like to know your sources on these things:

here is less mercury in a shot of vaccine then in a can of tuna

H1N1 is currently not the most deadly flu ever, it is more serious then the normal seasonal flu

the small amounts of these compounds found in the vaccine are not toxic. I REPEAT, NOT TOXIC.

more people infected and the more it spreads, the greater the chance it could mutate into an even more virulent and deadly strain. Large scale vaccination can help prevent that.

Trace amounts of formaldehyde means barely detectable in the vaccine. Your own body probably produces more formaldehyde through your own metabolism then you will find in the vaccine and has mechanisms to deal with and excrete it.

i was listening to the news yesterday and it said you had about a 1 in 250 thousand chance to get killed by h1n1 in Canada. or:
"Rare (may occur with up to 1 in 1000 doses):
• Allergic reactions leading to a dangerous decrease of blood pressure, which, if untreated, may lead to shock. Doctors are aware of this possibility and have emergency treatment available for use in such cases
• Fits
• Severe stabbing or throbbing pain along one or more nerves
• Low blood platelet count which can result in bleeding or bruising
Very Rare (may occur with up to 1 in 10,000 doses):
• Vasculitis (inflammation of the blood vessels which can cause skin rashes, joint pain and kidney problems)
• Neurological disorders such as encephalomyelitis (inflammation of the central nervous system), neuritis (inflammation of nerves) and a type of paralysis known a Guillain-Barré Syndrome"
from this vaccine.

lets line the pockets of big pharma some more..... how many doctors will give hard core Amphetamine's and such to children these days? so i don't know how much trust i can put in the medical system anymore.

[FitoPharmer]

These are exactly the same potential side effects from any vaccine ever made. The risk profile is the same. So you're either okay with vaccines in general or you're not. The vast majority of people will have no side effects or at most soreness at the injections site. Some people will feel a bit ill with aches and pains or headaches or nausea etc. This is probably from your immune system ramping up to produce antibodies due to the vaccine.

The uncommon side effects are very rare and do not generally even happen 1 in a 1000.

what exactly are you talking about? even on the GSK site it says their vaccines contain different additives, and not too surprisingly different side effects. some are more or less dangerous, but it seems evident that the h1n1 is more dangerous then the average booster shot your child gets.
check out the ingredients and side effects of just these few, none seem even similar:
http://www.gsk.ca/english/docs-pdf/T...0080916_EN.pdf
http://www.gsk.ca/english/docs-pdf/I...0080718_EN.pdf
http://www.gsk.ca/english/docs-pdf/P...0081103_EN.pdf
http://www.gsk.ca/english/docs-pdf/B...0091021_EN.pdf

where do you get the notion that every vaccine is the same and always will be?

[pinhead]

Originally Posted by FitoPharmer

here's GlaxoSmithKline's own product fact sheet,
please read:
http://preventdisease.com/news/pdf/G...tober_2009.pdf
"List of Excipients
Antigen suspension vial: Thimerosal, sodium chloride, disodium hydrogen phosphate, potassium dihydrogen phosphate, potassium chloride, water for injections. The drug substance contains trace residual amounts of egg proteins, formaldehyde, sodium deoxycholate and sucrose.
Adjuvant emulsion vial: sodium chloride, disodium hydrogen phosphate, potassium dihydrogen phosphate, potassium chloride, water for injections."

then down near the bottom
"What the important nonmedicinal ingredients are:
Thimerosal,a mercury derivative is added as preservative. Each dose contains 2.5 micrograms of mercury. Other ingredients include: squalene, vitamin E, polysorbate 80 and trace amounts of egg proteins, formaldehyde, sodium deoxycholate and sucrose."

then the side effects!
"As with all medicines, AREPANRIX™ H1N1can cause side effects. The very common and common side effects are usually mild and should only last a day or two.
Very common (may occur with more than 1 in 10 doses):
• Pain at the injection site
• Headache
• Fatigue
• Redness or swelling at the injection site
• Shivering
• Sweating
• Aching muscles, joint pain
Common (may occur with up to 1 in 10 doses):
• Reactions at the injection site such as bruising, itching and warmth
• Fever
• Swollen lympth nodes
• Feeling sick, diarrhea
Uncommon (may occur with up to 1 in 100 doses):
• Dizziness
• Generally feeling unwell
• Unusual weakness
• Vomiting, stomach pain, uncomfortable feeling in the stomach or belching after eating
• Inability to sleep
• Tingling or numbness of the hands or feet
• Shortness of breath
• Pain in the chest
• Itching, rash
• Pain in the back or neck, stiffness in the muscles, muscle spasms, pain in extremity such as leg or hand
Rare (may occur with up to 1 in 1000 doses):
• Allergic reactions leading to a dangerous decrease of blood pressure, which, if untreated, may lead to shock. Doctors are aware of this possibility and have emergency treatment available for use in such cases
• Fits
• Severe stabbing or throbbing pain along one or more nerves
• Low blood platelet count which can result in bleeding or bruising
Very Rare (may occur with up to 1 in 10,000 doses):
• Vasculitis (inflammation of the blood vessels which can cause skin rashes, joint pain and kidney problems)
• Neurological disorders such as encephalomyelitis (inflammation of the central nervous system), neuritis (inflammation of nerves) and a type of paralysis known a Guillain-Barré Syndrome
If any of these side effects occur, please tell your doctor or nurse immediately. If any of the side effects gets serious, or if you notice any side effects not listed in this leaflet, please
tell your doctor."

what concerns me chemically: Thimerosal, formaldehyde, polysorbate 80, squalene.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thiomersal
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Formaldehyde
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Squalene
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polysorbate_80
or call the company or the people administering the vaccine and ask:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g4O8beEBxdQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2QKNhgdno10

....

Now we're getting a little off topic. This started out with people's real but uninformed fears of the vaccine to weird Libertarian conspiracy theories.

Look at the other Youtube videos by the posters of those 2 videos.
http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=STEVEDIGIBOYtv#g
http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=TFPCVideoBlog#g

TFPC is the Truth and Freedom Party of Canada
Here are some of their other ideas: http://tfpc.ca


I'm surprised they have not come up with some theory about the government and big pharma sending their UFO's to spread more flu virus in the spaceship's contrails.