Do you know about the free ananomies?

[HimSelf]

Oh come on Steve read my last post. "sentenced it to death" don't you think that's a little to harsh? How many fish do you have in your tank that you "sentenced it to death"?

[HimSelf]

Hey Steve since you own or work at Island Aquatics what do you think about all those dead fish in your tank? Why are you so negtive about my little ananos from the local water? Are you scard that you will losse sales in your store?

You should watch what you say. You don't want to get a bad image for Island Aquatics now do you?

[AJ_77]

heh, I don't think that's a real store...


But seeing these and other examples of (your) local wildlife, including that great pic Adam posted, has caused me to re-evaluate my bias toward tropical species.

Seeing all those vibrant green anemones at the Van Aquarium, I used to go "wow" and then, "but they're only cold-water." Don't hink I can do that anymore...

[Delphinus]

I really don't see a problem with a coldwater tank. Very neat, very challenging, very rewarding.

But that doesn't make the other points wrong. Wildlife collecting does require a permit (I think just a fishing permit may suffice, but it would be better to check), and certainly never collect anything out of a protected area. Releasing anything back that has been exposed to non-native species should also be avoided.

And, unfortunately, yes, if a species is coldwater but manages to survive temporarily at warmer temps, that doesn't mean it is "thriving." I mean, we just don't know. If the species natural range extends into waters where the temperatures are that within your tank, that would be one thing; but if the range doesn't extend that far -- that has to tell you something. I'm not saying it is, I'm not saying it's not; I'm saying that just plunking something into your tank and the fact that it doesn't die right away -- doesn't tell you enough to make an accurate judgment call. More careful research needs to be done. Ultimately, I think forcing an animal to adapt to conditions is less optimal than the artificial environment being adapted to the animal.

All that said, I myself would love to do a coldwater SW set up some day myself, and "more power" to anyone who does so themselves too (as long as it's done "properly").

There ... now I've said my piece. Oh, and yah. "Chill." Isn't that what we're talking about anyhow?????

[Johnny Reefer]

Originally Posted by Delphinus

I really don't see a problem with a coldwater tank.

If the species natural range extends into waters where the temperatures are that within your tank, that would be one thing; but if the range doesn't extend that far -- that has to tell you something.

Coldwater tanks isn't the issue here. He is keeping what can be regarded as a coldwater species in a warm water tank.

When I asked what species it was a definitive reply was not given, but was rather vague. This leads me to believe that the "homework" that was done isn't so much for any research and experimental purposes, but rather just trying to save a few $. Am I right, Himself? (I get that you are very anti-LFS).

The link that monza provided states that the species, assuming that it is the species in question, ranges all the way to Panama. So the species appears to be capable of living in warm water, but one could argue that the local specimens are acclimatized to coldwater and thus should remain in coldwater.

The link also says never remove this species from their native habitat.

I think a little more "homework" and "calculation" should have been exercised regarding this before the anemones were removed from their habitat. JMO.

Cheers,

PS- I tried bringing up Vancouver Aquariums website to find out any local info on this species but their website appears down now. (Can't bring it up).

[rickjames]

Originally Posted by HimSelf

Hey Steve since you own or work at Island Aquatics what do you think about all those dead fish in your tank? Why are you so negtive about my little ananos from the local water? Are you scard that you will losse sales in your store?

You should watch what you say. You don't want to get a bad image for Island Aquatics now do you?

Listen, if you didn't want to hear people's opinions on your "free" anemone experiment (both pro and con) then why did you post here? Steve stated his opinion and backed it up. This reply was unnecessary.

[Scavenger]

Originally Posted by Delphinus

I really don't see a problem with a coldwater tank. Very neat, very challenging, very rewarding.

Wildlife collecting does require a permit (I think just a fishing permit may suffice, but it would be better to check), and certainly never collect anything out of a protected area.

Yes, I've already inquired with the DFO and a fishing licence is all you need to collect native species. However, you must still abide by the regulations ie: bag limit, area and species closures. I'm still planning my coldwater tank. I should have water in it any year now. LOL!

[Delphinus]

Originally Posted by Johnny Reefer

Coldwater tanks isn't the issue here. He is keeping what can be regarded as a coldwater species in a warm water tank.

I understand that it is a distinct issue.. I did also make comments regarding the practise of animals inside environments not specifically tailored to the needs of those animals. You don't need to argue with me per se, I think we're on the same page here.

cheers

[OCDP]

ahem,

Chill.

ahem...

[Johnny Reefer]

Originally Posted by Delphinus

I understand that it is a distinct issue.. I did also make comments regarding the practise of animals inside environments not specifically tailored to the needs of those animals. You don't need to argue with me per se, I think we're on the same page here.

cheers

Yes, I agree that we are on the same page. I wasn't trying to argue with you re: coldwater tanks. It's just that I saw you refer to that a couple of times, in this thread, and I see this thread as a discussion on something different than that. I was merely trying to point my view on that out to you. As for including your input on species range, in the "Delphinus Wrote" part, the intent there was for continuity sake for the reader. The intent was not to argue your point. *Edit: Re: my input regarding species being already acclimatized to coldwater... I suppose the phrase "one could argue..." was the wrong phrase to use. What I meant was more along the lines of..."something else to think about..." Edit complete*. No offense was intended.

Cheers,