Just a rant nothing major....

[Reef_Geek]

Nanos? I hate nanos. We don't need no stinking nanos.

They're all like... entering your robot's head by the thousands and wiping out your robot's internal circuits...

oh wait, that's nanites. I hate nanites. Nanos are ok.

[whatcaneyedo]

Originally Posted by Dearth

I've been in the SW hobby for about 9 months now and have had some interesting chats with various SW hobbyists. At one time I was on 5 different forums learning what I could and found out real fast that all hobbyists are not created equal and it includes this forum as well. It's one of the reasons I no longer visit any other forum as this one seems to be the most tolerant one.

I've met some hobbyists face to face and talked with several in private chats and their responses to me being in the hobby with a nano tank has been wide and varied. Some have greeted me with enthusiasm and offered me no end of help while others wouldn't give me the time of day cause I run a nano tank.

I have met many who were willing to give me advice as long as I did it their way and if I refused or said I'm doing it this way those people will no longer talk to me. Then there are the ones that feel I should learn as they did by trial and error and shelling out countless thousands of dollars to learn from my mistakes at the same time are willing to offer smidgins of advice.

Then my personal favourites the ones that despise the hobbyists that run nano tanks it doesn't matter how nice your nano is they won't talk to you because your not a true hobbyist in their eyes and in their eyes guys like me are ruining the hobby.

So it can make it nerve wracking when you want to ask or show your tank because you never know how you will be received and there are many experienced hobbyists with many many years of hobby experience that tend to forget that they were once a newbie too and maybe didn't have the guidance of the forums or other hobbyists to set up and run your tank.

Yes it can get old hearing over and over the same questions about algae, diatom blooms and aiptasia but then that is why people come to the forums to learn. Maybe a FAQ forum should be posted for questions such as these. IE. I have seen many newbies ask about diatom blooms the standard answer is just wait for the bloom to mature...well it really doesn't answer the question and there is no standard answer but it helps to know it can take 3 days to 2 months to bloom. Stuff like that.

Ok I'm done feel free to flame rant or ignore

So... how come we didn't see you at any of the PG Reef Tank Tour showings? Do you work Sundays? Staffan, Doug, George, Craig, myself and everyone else on the 40 person emailing list are all very receptive to meeting new people and sharing our experiences and advice (plus you get to see some tanks in person).

A good introductory book would answer a lot of questions that new people ask before they ask them. But books are long, boring and expensive whereas internet answers are short, lively and free so I guess that wont ever change. The search function works well too.

I too have created accounts on RC, Ultimate Reef, Reef Frontiers, TGVAS, BCAquaria etc. But its pretty much the same everywhere. Canreef has the advantage of being local/national, relevant and just active enough.

Some people on here have nanos with more gadgetry, that are more expensive and contain more specimens than the average persons +100gal system. Their basic requirements are no differen't than a large tank. In some ways they are actually more difficult to keep.

[Madreefer]

Originally Posted by whatcaneyedo

So... how come we didn't see you at any of the PG Reef Tank Tour showings? Do you work Sundays? Staffan, Doug, George, Craig, myself and everyone else on the 40 person emailing list are all very receptive to meeting new people and sharing our experiences and advice (plus you get to see some tanks in person).

Geez Russel. Your pretty harsh. How could you leave me out?

But all kidding aside. Dean you should put your tank on the tour. You left my house with a huge amount of frags as well as colonies. Its been since before the snow landed. I'd like to check your tank out. Im hoping everything has flourished. It's a pretty good knowledgeable bunch of guys that like to help. The more contacts in this town the better. One tip though. That plastic piece that comes with your heater is just for packing.

[whatcaneyedo]

I was just listing the people who featured their tanks this year and also you did sort of miss most of them.

Tyler your advice is good too. (in case you see this and feel left out).

[Ken]

Dearth, you can come over on the island and talk to me, I love all types of aquariums, I don't discriminate any sizes shapes or forms or color, I love them all, I learn from you, me and anybody, doesn't matter what type of system or setup you have, as long as the end results that the livestock thrives. I'm excited to hear of hobbyist's dream aquariums whether big or nano, people who don't think like the majority of us here are better off sitting at home and staring at their own tanks, here I like to share knowledge and learn from others as well, all welcome. There is no right or wrong way to setup an aquarium, people who have passion about their own aquariums are also passionate about others, I know I am. Hope that pep talk will inspire you to be proud of your aquarium. Regards Ken

[zum14]

Originally Posted by whatcaneyedo

I was just listing the people who featured their tanks this year and also you did sort of miss most of them.

Tyler your advice is good too. (in case you see this and feel left out).

Hahahaha naw. I agree that each tank large or small has its own challenges. They are all expensive though. Weird how that works.

[reefwars]

Thing about RC is their huge, your gonna get yay's and nay's for random reasons, with that said there is a nano forumn and ime is pretty active with experience reefers. As far as keeping nanos is concerned I had more in my 25g then most in a tank 10 times its size and a lot of my coral and fish are for expert or advanced reefers.

Its not the size of the canvas the artist uses that makes the piece its how yje artist displays their gift, at the end of the day a piece of art is a piece of art.

[Dearth]

Originally Posted by Madreefer

But all kidding aside. Dean you should put your tank on the tour. You left my house with a huge amount of frags as well as colonies. Its been since before the snow landed. I'd like to check your tank out. Im hoping everything has flourished.

Out of the 9 colonies and frags I got 2 died soon after putting into my tank and the other 7 are doing fair to extremely well(frogspawn and hammer coral are getting friggen huge). I got 5 coral from aiptasia central(total pet) and 3 died from my partial tank melt down the other 2(Red and Green brain and purple xenia) are doing extremely well.

[Dearth]

Originally Posted by whatcaneyedo

So... how come we didn't see you at any of the PG Reef Tank Tour showings? Do you work Sundays? Staffan, Doug, George, Craig, myself and everyone else on the 40 person emailing list are all very receptive to meeting new people and sharing our experiences and advice (plus you get to see some tanks in person). .

I would like to see them but my work and personal life schedule have been getting in the way and because I work shift and days off change every week gets a lil more challenging

Originally Posted by whatcaneyedo

A good introductory book would answer a lot of questions that new people ask before they ask them. But books are long, boring and expensive whereas internet answers are short, lively and free so I guess that wont ever change. The search function works well too.

I work with Shaun and he was the dope that got me into this and he gave me lots of literature which helped immensely and I did lots of reading on the net and getting keyboard face and tried not to ask the same questions as every other person has and unfortunately have had a rough start temp hand paralylis, partial tank kill,PITA cats and a few other things but the good news or sad news depending on how look at it is I'm hooked on SW

Originally Posted by whatcaneyedo

I too have created accounts on RC, Ultimate Reef, Reef Frontiers, TGVAS, BCAquaria etc. But its pretty much the same everywhere. Canreef has the advantage of being local/national, relevant and just active enough.

As I said I joined several forum sites to learn and before canreef I was on reef central and American Aquarists(that site is now down) and both flamed nano systems a lot then I joined Canreef and nano-reef both have helped me lots but found nano-reef to be very american do it my way or else still visit but never post

Originally Posted by whatcaneyedo

Some people on here have nanos with more gadgetry, that are more expensive and contain more specimens than the average persons +100gal system. Their basic requirements are no differen't than a large tank. In some ways they are actually more difficult to keep

Aye and very impressive to boot only wish my tank could look half as impressive but for a first time setup I think I've done ok but I am probably going to be upgrading soonish to a 90 gallon and a whole new learning experience sumps/plumbing,overflows, new gadgets and tons of crying over an empty wallet

[JmeJReefer]

I run nanos. Much more challenging! Wish I could jump into a "big boy" tank but not financially feasible. It's all about preference and realistic goals for your tank. Simple setups but have had zero coral fatalities, and by god, they r fun!