"Refined" Tank Raised Fish Survey

[Josh23]

Provided that I had a tank large enough to proivde for one of those fish I would buy tank raised over net caught.

Josh

[Aquattro]

Kyle, just curious. If you have 10,000 fish pre-sold bi-monthly, why this little survey?

Canadian buisness plan needs canadian content.... blah blah blah... goverment bullcrap.... if you want a goverment funded aquaculture loan its easier to show them a demand from the canadians and make them sign the cheque, supporting their own and stuff... I honestly plan on a very small percentage of my fish to stay in canada... just look at the economics and population. But the poll was more of a personal interest piece. Wholsalers in the USA will buy far larger quantities at a higher price and not really complain about anything, in Canada you almost have to send the wholesalers free fish and beg them to place an order.... not all but alot, the industry is really pathetic in canada.

[saltcreep]

Kyle,

I hope that you are certainly speaking of wholesalers back East rather than those in the Lower Mainland. I know you qualified your statement but I hope I don't get painted with that brush. I'll take the free fish if your offering.

Kyle...CMA

[naesco]

I am so happy to see you in the captive fish market but am really surprised by the rant.
You have come to a Canadian reefer board and got IMO an excellentr response with very intelligent answers (except one ).
You also provoked the best discussion on this board that I have seen.

You go on a US board my friend and you will disappear to page 5 in no time.
Why do you see fit to put down our country. I can tell you if you make those comments to American businessman about Canda they will think your nuts and wont deal with you.

Anyone who deals with marine ornamentals on a buisness level that I have talked to would agree with me that the canadian market is pathetic, (for the most part) I think pretty much everyone on this board is a fairly concerned reefer or they probably wouldnt still visit everyday. Sure there are a few stores in all of canada that sell quality quality quality and enviromentally sound. But I cant name enough stores to use up my ten fingers in all of canada. The vast majority of stores are pushing crap at a high price with uneducated staff, "yes jonny that baby naso tang will only grow as big as he has room for in that 10 gallon hagen starter kit, and of course the filter it comes with is more than enough to keep him happy"
Im not saying that there are not stores like that in the USA but on the most part the stores down south put all of our local stores to shame. In alot of Marine specality stores you can walk in and ask if you can speak to the on staff marine biologist. I plan on supplying as many fish to canadian wholsalers as they can handle but honestly that number is really low, if some of you only knew the numbers that float through some of the major wholesalers in the USA. With that said of course Im doing this to make some money "I do have to support myself" but thats not why I want to raise tank raised fish, Im doing it for the bennifit of the hobby, and I firmly belive that Tank breed and Tank Raised species will soon be heavily regulated in the wild, and Im glad, its about bloody time. If you went diving to a lagoon 5-10 years ago and then you went there now your jaw would drop at the lack of reef life. The hobby we support DOES make an impact on the reef and we as a whole really need to pull our heads out of our butts and make some REAL ethical choices, and that would be never buying a species that is available tank raised or breed.

[zulu_principle]

After a few years of business school and plenty more years in the up and downs of many industries, including marine ornamentals in the "pathetic canadian market" & some consideration of your views.

I suggest you take the time to understand that if "you are doing this to make some money" you "must listen to what your consumers have to say" (2000, Bill Gates, Comdex)

But, with a firm committment for "10K fish bimonthy", you must be the "MAN."

IMHonestSingularO


Wendell

[DBM]

I have no idea what your qualifications are but I bet Wendell was thinking of this question as well. Do you know how much space you need to produce 10 000 fish bi-monthly? What are going to do? Don't forget you'll need to have grow out facilities to hold probably 100 000 fish, along with broodstock, and potential broodstock.
Why do you think ORA and C-Quest target stores and not wholesalers with CB livestock (better price). They're significantly larger than you, have significant business contacts and experience, and from what I hear are breaking even. You must remember that to break through you're probably going to have to have lower prices than your competitors to start because they've got a quality product and an established customer base. If you're planning on selling to wholesalers drop your price by a minimum of 30%.
I also have to agree with saltcreep, there's some nice stuff here on the west coast and he's proven that CB clowns can sell out here. I don't want to quash your plans - I'm just real curious. By the way, you could probably move alot more fish here in Canada than you think, probably several thousand pieces a month.

[DBM]

Almost forgot, if you're looking for start-up capital try obtaining it through some sort of R&D aquaculture program with the Government. I managed to secure a substantial grant for my former employer some years back by doing this. There's actually a guy allocated in Victoria to helping people get started out.
Don't take these questions the wrong way, I'm just hoping you have a hard close look at this before you get started. As a guy with an education and work background in intensive aquaculture I sincerely wish you the best of luck. I'd love to see you make a go of it.

Doug

[spikehs]

just a question,

i was under the impression that theses species are practically impossible to raise (due to the small size of the babies) have you been successfull? How far have you gotten so far? thanks, and good luck.