Montreal passes pit bull ban

[corallivore]

Originally Posted by WarDog

If you want to continue this discussion over PM, I am game.

I've said what I honestly feel and have offered some resources on where that opinion comes from.

Some breeds are inherently more dangerous than others.

I'm not interested in rehashing this debate for the amusement of others.

You can probably get the gist by reading the comments in any province article reporting a dog attack, regardless of breed anyways.

You can put the popcorn down.

[WarDog]

Originally Posted by corallivore

If you want to continue this discussion over PM, I am game.

The popcorn was not directed at you, so no.

Originally Posted by corallivore

You can put the popcorn down.

Not a chance... I really like popcorn.

[Myka]

I think it's pretty hard to refute that bully breeds were bred to fight, though they certainly are not the only breeds bred to fight.

I don't think I'll own another bully after this one, and it's not because I don't want one - it's because I'm so tired of the debate, the fear, the judgement, and the assumption that my dog is something she is not. It gets mundane.

[Potatohead]

Originally Posted by Myka

I think it's pretty hard to refute that bully breeds were bred to fight, though they certainly are not the only breeds bred to fight.

I don't think I'll own another bully after this one, and it's not because I don't want one - it's because I'm so tired of the debate, the fear, the judgement, and the assumption that my dog is something she is not. It gets mundane.

Why I couldn't own one. Having to answer to that stuff all the time must get exhausting... I'll stick with labs, lol.

[Coasting]

Its a complete lack of education and common sense with the rest of the general public and dog owners. No matter what you say their just too stupid to see anything else.

Fear mongering morons.

[Ram3500]

I think the real problem is that the majority of pit owners have no common sense and a lack of education.let me be clear I'm not saying all owners just saying the majority.I'm sure that some owners are responsible and understand that they own a powerful animal that needs to be under controll around children and fenced. Let's not forget that a women lost her life.That could be your mother daughter or sister. When have you heard of deadly attacks by a golden retriever or a Chihuahua? They are a powerful animals and this needs to be respected by the owners of this dog. To manny of the owners can't provide this. A lot of the people who are attracted to this type of dog want them for the wrong reasons. Would you trust your young child with a pit ??

[Coasting]

Originally Posted by Ram3500

Would you trust your young child with a pit ??

Absolutely! 100%

Would I trust them with a Chihuahua? Not a chance in hell.

People here need to start researching other breeds. And looking at the damage they can do and have done. Just because its not a breed in the spotlight doesn't mean it's safe.
How strong do you think those livestock dogs are that are bred to fight off cougars, bears, packs of wolves, they can do a heck of a lot more damage then any bully.
Chows, Sharpe, Basenji, Lab, Bernese, a few of the breeds I've seen court ordered put to sleep because of attacks on humans and other dogs.

People are still continually proving they have zero education or common sense on the topic. Pit bulls with good owners make one of the best family and child safe dogs around.

It's all the same crap. Fear mongering morons. EDUCATE YOURSELVES.

[Myka]

Originally Posted by Ram3500

I think the real problem is that the majority of pit owners have no common sense and a lack of education.

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Would you trust your young child with a pit ??

Absolutely. To both points.

I really think that laws should be changed so that owner's are 100% responsible for the actions committed by their pets, and charged as if it was the owner that committed the crime. In other words, if the dog bites someone (even if it's a Chihuahua, even if it's the first time), the owner will be charged with assault, or aggravated assault if there are many bites or lots of damage in the assault. This would change things for a lot of people I think, and hold people more accountable. There are a lot of people that don't care if their dog bites someone and must be euthanized - they'll just go get another one.

[Coasting]

Originally Posted by The Codfather

There is always two sides to this. Here is my opinion for what its worth.
If you own this breed of dog, good for you. I do believe any breed of dog can be the loving loyal pet.
That being said, you know the dangers, and as long as you do not, under any circumstance endanger me, my children or any other member of the public, keep your dog and do what you will.
However, if you at any point, you fail at your responsibilities to keep this animal in a safe manner, I hope the law comes at you with the safety off.
It is the responsibility of the owner to do this. Unfortunately, we see the outcome of owners who think they do not have this responsibility.
Coasting, something to keep in mind. There has been reports of unprovoked attacks in many breeds, big, small, and everything in between. So please, don't say one thing without consideration of all the facts. You say its fear mongering morons and education that are at fault here. Id disagree to some point. In some cases its just the dog, plain and simple.

But the point being unprovoked attack can happen in ANY breed. I have seen a few lately even with the media running around claiming pit bull attack and it was a husky or other breed. Therr was one in richmond not long ago where the human who got attacked by the dog actually went onto social media and tried correcting these news sites who were saying it was a pit when it wasnt. We had a client at the vets whos off leash little dog got attacked by a "pit bull" who was on leash, he was going around telling everyone about the vicious pit bull. I saw the dog that did the attacking at a later date, it was a shepherd mix. Nothing remotely bully breed.
Many many dog breeds are capable of imense damage.
With out training any dog can be a danger.
Yes bullys are selected more so to be trained to fight. Key word, trained.
They dont get born as pups with that mindset. They can be high strung and if you dont know how to handle or train any high strung dog youre screwed, any breed. But these guys are highly inteligent and easy to train (with proper training), especially using positive reinforcement. Little dogs not so much. Bullys love to please their owners and do whats asked of them. They are by far one of my favourite breeds to train and work with because their so much smarter and capable of so much more.

[Coasting]

In terms of breeders and breeding bullys, keep in mind the ones used and bred to be trained to fight are not usually what the AKC or CKC would deem an APBT or ASBT or any PROPER bully breed. Their mixed breed/inbred disasters bred to be wider then they are tall.