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Old 06-04-2015, 07:55 PM
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Hi Dave,

I understand but I wanted to make sure there was no mis understandings or hurt feelings. As well I have corrected my belief that an Expert Witness uses testing to verify their conclusions, not just their experience. So I needed to apologize and revise my position as it's changed due to the thread.

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Old 06-04-2015, 08:18 PM
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Hi Dave,

I understand but I wanted to make sure there was no mis understandings or hurt feelings. As well I have corrected my belief that an Expert Witness uses testing to verify their conclusions, not just their experience. So I needed to apologize and revise my position as it's changed due to the thread.

Cheers,
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I don't really see how there is any pot stirring here.

Sometimes, people have 2 different opinions and they talk it out to see if there is a mutual understanding possible.

Here above, TimT agreed with my statements, and I took no offense whatsoever to his.

His referral to making an ass out of u and me was tongue in cheek, as was mine.

I merely found his statement contradictory and pointed that out.

if you go onto an online forum and share your opinion, you really should be comfortable with others sharing theirs...whether they agree with you or not.

Seems like quite a few members were saying that testing should be required before any conclusions made...including TimT.

Dave, maybe you can shed some light on why you felt I needed to be singled out out of all of those who shared their opinions.

PM please if you care to to keep this thread on topic.

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Old 06-04-2015, 08:39 PM
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Tyler (Spitfire) where are you? I Pm'd yesterday but no reply, I've seen you online...
Totally understand if you're over it and don't wanna think about anymore, you lost a bucket full of coral and that sucks...

However, unless you started this thread for the intention bad mouthing IO and then walking away from this you really aren't doing this any good by staying out of it. Testing and finding a conclusion to this mishap is intriguing, I'd love to know what went wrong and what to look out for. Batch #? Where did you buy it? I assume you no longer work for a retailer that sells this salt?

If salt alone nuked one of my tanks I'd be ****ed, but I'd definitely want some answers, or was it user error...
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Having bad day at work and was grumpy, should have just PM'd Tim and told him to not take it personally.
Bowing out.

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Tyler (Spitfire) where are you? I Pm'd yesterday but no reply, I've seen you online...
Totally understand if you're over it and don't wanna think about anymore, you lost a bucket full of coral and that sucks...

However, unless you started this thread for the intention bad mouthing IO and then walking away from this you really aren't doing this any good by staying out of it. Testing and finding a conclusion to this mishap is intriguing, I'd love to know what went wrong and what to look out for. Batch #? Where did you buy it? I assume you no longer work for a retailer that sells this salt?

If salt alone nuked one of my tanks I'd be ****ed, but I'd definitely want some answers, or was it user error...
User error unlikely given the op.

If it isn't the salt, it likely some outside factor.

Kids or some substance that accidentally got into the air or water or something that may never be known, unfortunately.
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Tim, while I understand where you're coming from, I can't remove every post that suggests something is negative. The backlash is more than I would care to argue about.
These discussions always run a course. One person posts something, the burden of proof is then expected vocally by the community. Without the proof being presented, it's simply conjecture, and in the end, the product does not suffer (significant) harm.
We get one or two posts a year blaming salt for issues. They may or may not be true. Unless tampered with, the chances of a single bucket causing issues with no other reports, especially with a product so widely used, suggests that other things may have contributed. I'm not suggesting it wasn't salt, but without testing and subsequent proof, I'm not tossing out my IO salt.
I also get that Tyler doesn't want to keep chasing an issue that won't fix his problem, so we're not likely to get any resolve on this. In the end, it's a civil discussion that doesn't require censoring, IMO.
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Salt is gone, Albert was here when it happened, we did everything we could to diagnose the problem and came to the conclusion that it was the salt. We mixed the water earlier in the day with the same system I've been using for years. The system was mature and very stable. The inverts and corals started dieing within hours.
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User error unlikely given the op.

If it isn't the salt, it likely some outside factor.

Kids or some substance that accidentally got into the air or water or something that may never be known, unfortunately.
Kids went home from the time salt was mixed till the next day
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Why would you toss the salt without getting it tested?
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