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![]() If I took the rock out of the acid too soon is it essentially a waste of time?
Between the bleach and then acid I can see that a lot of crap came off the rocks, however there is still discoloration on the rocks. Second, the rocks still have a bleach smell to them. They have been out of water for 2 days, but are wet still. I have a feeling they absorbed some of the bleach. any idea how to make sure I get all of it out? I assume it will give me some issue if I try and cycle the rock with the bleach smell. |
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![]() Easto, if that is your pukani after your acid bath then you did not do it long enough my friend. All that dark crud should bbe gone.
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![]() I figured that much. I was nervous that it was possible to leave it in too long so I took it out within 10 minutes. My goal was to get rid of all the crud off the rocks so I can cycle them in my tank.
It's way too cold out now to be screwing around with water outside. Best thing to do now? Cure it in a container in the basement? I guess other people can learn from this ![]() Last edited by Easto; 01-05-2015 at 06:25 PM. |
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![]() You might want to wait for temperatures to rise (February?) and re-acid bath. That's going to take months to cycle IMO.
Bblinks is dead on: "Acid dipping is necessary due to the left over organics in the rock which will cause a phosphate spike even long after the tank has been cycled." |
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No offense but I don't agree with this at all..... seems to me people are getting scared into doing this process a lot more lately with poor information so much to the poont where now were saying it has to be done or the tank is doomed to live a never ending cycle lol if this is the case then why is my tank and others running with 100% pukani and no acid bath and no curing....and as of my Sunday test just past still no no3 or po4? I keep asking this yet those who like to argue it don't answer lol Stripping the rock of its po4 layer will help with your po4 battle no doubt about it , no3 does not bind it is 100% soluable. So there's only so much po4 in the rock , whether you export it now or later doesn't mean you won't have po4 issues though lol a lot will come down to how your setup and how you export po4 On any given day. A person can cure the Dickinson out of the rock and still have huge po4 issues , the same way a guy using all liverock can ![]() Simply because.....po4 does not end on the stone , it's imported and exported daily and always will as this is a closed system . I do get a good chuckle watching all this though so continue on ![]()
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![]() Basically if I don't change out my gfo reactor I will see a cycle?
Seems odd....
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![]() Yah agreed reefwars. Easto if you have any questions about the rock why dont you talk to Eli. He knows that stuff really well. Eli's tank is pretty friggin sweet and he never did the bleach or acid
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Now, why do you want to "cure" your rock... Rock, especially Calcium Carbonate (live rock) that has been in water with inorganic phosphate will adsorb phosphate, the depth and level of contamination will depend on a varietty of factors for example, length of time of exposure, properties of the carbonate structure and concentration of exposure. Pukani rock is essentially dried Calcium Carbonate that once had organic forms living on it but now has perished by the harvest and drying process leaving phosphate molecule associated with a carbon-based molecule as in plants or animals. When you acid dip them, you are removing all those potential dead organic matters to eliminate the "new tank syndrome" where green hair algae can establish and feed off decaying organic matter. Through perseverance, one might be able to overcome this stage by manually removing gha, heavy water changes with combination of GFO and eventually at some point an equilibrium will establish and phosphate leaving the rock will equal phosphate entering, but this is not for the fainted heart, most will shut down. If we remove the phosphate from the water column then it will continue to leave the rock, the length of time this takes is dependent on the factors described above, however, at some point the rock will low enough in phosphates, and if you provide other essential parameters including enough good light, watermovement, correct temperaure, correct salinity and a balanced supply of calcium and carbonate you will get the calcerous growth most reefers aim for (bascically phosphate inhibits biological and abiotic precipitation of calcium carbonate). Back to your question, no, it will not see a cycle if you don't change out your gfo.
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