Ultimatereef.com TOTM keeps a yellow tang in a 30gal...

[christyf5]

Originally Posted by StirCrazy

that can't be Christy, after all he has a tank in a tank smaller than 300 gal.. there is no way he could have a clue.

Steve

well you're here and you don't even have a tank, what does that say about you then?

[RuGlu6]

If we would REALLY CARE about fish we would NEVER keep it in the glass box period. As long as we buy fish it will be offered for sale. And eventually fish will die for one reason or the other.
Nothing what we can provide will compare to the ocean.
JMTCW

[naesco]

Originally Posted by RuGlu6

If we would REALLY CARE about fish we would NEVER keep it in the glass box period. As long as we buy fish it will be offered for sale. And eventually fish will die for one reason or the other.
Nothing what we can provide will compare to the ocean.
JMTCW

But if we choose to get into this hobby we have an obligation to provide the optimum care of the critters we keep.

[gobytron]

Originally Posted by naesco

But if we choose to get into this hobby we have an obligation to provide the optimum care of the critters we keep.

how do you figure?

Buying an aquarium is all of a sudden supposed to supply people with a moral compass of some sort?

all you're doing is imposing your own ideals of what constitutes optimum care on someone who likely could care less about your ideals....they probably hae their own to worry about.

If you were REALLY that righteous, you would not be in this hobby. period.

sorry, but the double standard stated earler in this thread is just so obvious that its best to accept that we are all responsible in some way shape or form of taking an animal out of their optimum environment and placing it in one built out of our own greed.

give it all the "optimum care" you think it deserves, it doesn't change a thing IMO, it's still a fish out of (ocean) water.

[Murminator]

Ok outside of beating the tang thing to death....what an awesome simple tank

[Slick Fork]

Originally Posted by gobytron

how do you figure?

Buying an aquarium is all of a sudden supposed to supply people with a moral compass of some sort?

all you're doing is imposing your own ideals of what constitutes optimum care on someone who likely could care less about your ideals....they probably hae their own to worry about.

If you were REALLY that righteous, you would not be in this hobby. period.

sorry, but the double standard stated earler in this thread is just so obvious that its best to accept that we are all responsible in some way shape or form of taking an animal out of their optimum environment and placing it in one built out of our own greed.

give it all the "optimum care" you think it deserves, it doesn't change a thing IMO, it's still a fish out of (ocean) water.

Sorry, but I really have to take issue with this post. It is certainly possible to provide reasonable care to most of the animals living in our custody and yes there is absolutely an obligation to do so.

We're not talking about people getting ****ed off because he's being fed month old supermarket Nori instead of frozen food, or stuck in a tank without zeovit or being told he's handsome every day, or whatever unique quirky preference you can read about on any given forum. We're also not talking about someone who picked up a tank and bought the yellow as their first fish. Common accepted knowledge and practices tell us that tangs need LOTS of swimming space and this guy has been keeping fish long enough to know better.

Lets switch it away from fish for a second, if you want to buy a pair of super high energy border collies I'm not going to sit back and criticise what kind of food you buy them, whether they're crated at night or not, etc. BUT, if you leave them locked in a 10x20 room or on a 10 foot chain in the yard, all day every day you can bet that people will get ****ed off and say something about it. This is the same thing.

When you purchase or accept a pet, and I don't care if it's a dog, cat, horse, fish, coral, etc. You accept the obligation to provide reasonable care for it... that means nutrition, air/water quality, exercise, and living space. If you can't handle that obligation you have no business whatsoever owning a frickin animal. It really is that simple.

[MitchM]

As responsible hobbyists it's important that we pass along "best practices" methods as we learn from our collective experience.
How that comes across is sometimes misinterpreted.



Don't you people work?

Mitch

[StirCrazy]

Originally Posted by MitchM

Don't you people work?

Mitch

heck no, Im retired and loving it

Steve

[gobytron]

[quote=Slick Fork;539372]

Lets switch it away from fish for a second, if you want to buy a pair of super high energy border collies I'm not going to sit back and criticise what kind of food you buy them, whether they're crated at night or not, etc. BUT, if you leave them locked in a 10x20 room or on a 10 foot chain in the yard, all day every day you can bet that people will get ****ed off and say something about it. This is the same thing.
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it's actually not the same thing...

one is a mammal and carries significantly higher intelligence.

The other is a fish.

Also, I think the fact that this fish obviously looks healthy and is 5 years of age speaks for itself.


With all the problems the ocean and the environment has, this issue is one of the last things anyone who actually gives a $%*t should spend time and energy worrying about....IMO.

Think about what a crappy experience being caught and shipped is for the average fish we enjoy so much, if "best practice" was truly your monicher, you would have to only buy from proven and relaible breeders of tank raised species.

otherwise, this is just hypocritical nonsense....IMO.

[Slick Fork]

Originally Posted by gobytron

it's actually not the same thing...

one is a mammal and carries significantly higher intelligence.

The other is a fish.

Also, I think the fact that this fish obviously looks healthy and is 5 years of age speaks for itself.


With all the problems the ocean and the environment has, this issue is one of the last things anyone who actually gives a $%*t should spend time and energy worrying about....IMO.

Think about what a crappy experience being caught and shipped is for the average fish we enjoy so much, if "best practice" was truly your monicher, you would have to only buy from proven and relaible breeders of tank raised species.

otherwise, this is just hypocritical nonsense....IMO.

Yes, if we wanted to be truly humane, tree hugging heroes... none of us would have fish in the first place. We also would be wandering around naked eating berries and grass and stuff. But I love my steak and leather jacket and fish tank so the key is to find that happy medium where we get to keep what we want in a responsible ethical manner.

But to say that taking the fish out of its environment is the worst part and that absolves us of any responsibility to provide a proper environment for it is beyond comprehension to me. The comparison to the dogs is perfectly valid, they are both living animals that become 100% dependent on us for their well being. I can't believe that is even up for debate.

I don't think anybody here is going around knocking on doors and demanding to inspect the living conditions of peoples fish, for better or worse people are generally allowed to screw up the life they are responsible for without being harassed too much, the issue here is this guy was honoured for keeping a fish in sub-standard conditions.