Im new to saltwater, Is this Ich?

[BlueWorldAquatic]

Don't know what the LFS is asking you to do.

Never apply anything you don't exactly know about on a fish directly. It will cause undue stress on the fish.

Usually a product that is called "waste control", is usually applied to the aquarium not the fish directly, for removal or organic waste.

Is this the stuff? http://www.fosterandsmithaquatics.co...fm?pcatid=4240

Ich is small white pimple like spots, like sand grains. If the spot was small, then it is a possibility it was Black Ich, which is not this case as it is the size of a dime.

Usually black spots are just an indicator your fish is recovering from an infection and they are signs of healing.

Thrashing is not good, unless he is scratching on the rock. Anytime you see uncontrollable thrashing it is usually when the fish is unfortunately ready to die.

Without pictures it is very hard to diagnose the problem.

Ken - BWA

[tony_3a]

the pet store is pet lovers in abbotsford, the thrashing is not around rocks or anywhere it could be anywhere in the tank, right now i cannot get pictures up. I really hope the fish survives as it is my first larger fish so I would be sad if i lost it. I have not heard anything good about the fish that pet lovers sells, only negative things, so i would not be surprised if the fish does die. I will try to get pictures up asap.

One thing is tho the fish is still eating which makes me happy. All other fish in the aquarium seem very happy as well and eating very well.

And yes that is exactly the stuff. I do not get why you would not dump the stuff right on the fish seems like it would cause way more stress than good.

[BlueWorldAquatic]

How old is your tank?

Check you water parameters, with Ammonia and PH at the top of your list.

Is he the only fish having problems?

If the fish is still eating, try an additive in the food like Selcon. If he is healing from an injury it will help. http://www.americanmarineusa.com/selcon.html

Products like ImmunoVital will help the fish's immune system too. http://www.marcweissco.com/freshwate...uno_vital.html

Ken - BWA

[tony_3a]

tank is only about 2 months old, i kind of rushed into the fish thing. I tested everything it all seems good. Ill keep a close eye on him and see if anything changes.

[tony_3a]

I took a bunch of photos with a good camera and i do not know how to upload them as they are about 3mb in size.

[tony_3a]

other side.

Originally Posted by BlueWorldAquatic

How old is your tank?

Check you water parameters, with Ammonia and PH at the top of your list.

Is he the only fish having problems?

If the fish is still eating, try an additive in the food like Selcon. If he is healing from an injury it will help. http://www.americanmarineusa.com/selcon.html

Products like ImmunoVital will help the fish's immune system too. http://www.marcweissco.com/freshwate...uno_vital.html

Ken - BWA

all good thing to add to the food I use garlic extreme and selcon or garlic and zoecon. Are the fins tattered any if so I would lean to-wards a fungus and would also treat tank with melifix. It helps in the healing process, the black areas maybe where the fish had open wounds. Just like us when we have a break in the skin it scabs over so do fish just very slowly a fishes slime coat is what helps to keep the blood from going into the water so it can clot.

I would not poor that stuff on a fish it would more than likely cause troubles for the fish. Do you have corals i the tank and if so what are they? also do you have an urchin?
the black could also be coral burns or even a urchin quills could be in the fish and the shaking could be because he is trying to get them out.
I don't know for sure we do need pic's and answers. I say coral burns because my clowns that host a couple hammers get them from time to time and they can be fairly large burns some times with white spots. It looks bad but it does not seem to affect them any.
Bill