HELP....Ginger has lots and lots of new puppies

[Aquattro]

Neal, I'm sorry, but you are, by definition, a back yard breeder. You are not a real breeder, with a breeding program and specific goals for your program. Nobody is saying you're a terrible person or that you don't love your dogs, but being a great pet owner and breeding fluffy are two different things.
Real (good) breeders take great care in selecting breeding parents, for reasons that give a very good probability to producing a specific outcome. They assess the genetic lines back several generations, looking at previously produced pups for good qualities and bad.
Overall, I think you've got a great response from this thread. If you'd posted it on a dog specific board, you would have got flamed right off the board
Regardless, at this point it's done, so good luck with your pups.

[rstar]

Originally Posted by Aquattro

Posting in a public forum is asking. Id like to see the comments and looks you'd get with your ears cropped

Except for the fact that in this thread Neal did not ask for anyones opinions on the ethics of him breeding his dog....

[lockrookie]

+1

[Aquattro]

Originally Posted by rstar

Except for the fact that in this thread Neal did not ask for anyones opinions on the ethics of him breeding his dog....

Unfortunately a publicly posted thread is subject to input by anyone, it's the whole point of public posting. And let's face it, it's not the first thread that has gone on a tangent, nor the last.
And the point of my posts, as well as Deb's, is to possibly inform potential puppy buyers of the problems brought about by backyard breeders and how it impacts the future lives of all dogs, in this case the puppies being bred as well as existing Bostons sitting in rescue right now, looking for a home.
Basically, hobbyist breeding of dogs is frowned upon by serious dog lovers, for a variety of reasons, and should be left to people that have dedicated years to their breeding program, resulting in improving the breed, not supplying a market demand.
This is not to suggest that anyone is a money grabbing puppy mill, but rather that perhaps many people in this position are ill-informed on the plight of the current dog population, much of which is a direct result of backyard, although well-meaning breeders.
And as a serious dog person, when something like this gets posted publicly, you're getting my opinion, solicited or not. And if just one person reading it thinks a bit harder about whether to breed or not, or where to purchase a puppy from, then I've contributed to the solution, not the problem.

[Aquattro]

Originally Posted by lockrookie

+1

Oh, math!! I love math. Thank you for your wonderful and informative post, it's really opened my eyes.

[StirCrazy]

Originally Posted by rstar

Except for the fact that in this thread Neal did not ask for anyones opinions on the ethics of him breeding his dog....

wouldn't have mattered, on a dog board he would have been crucified for even thinking of breading a dog that isn't a good example of the breed standard.

to me personaly as long as they find good homes and are not just sold for the buck, but the new home is throuraly checked out to ensure they will be taken care of then fine.

a good example is the golden tretiver board I am on, now that I have a purebred golden retriever I am starting to learn the things they are looking for and understand what they are talking about. one persone came on saying "we are going to breed so and so because she is such a good dog" well let the flames begin.. no clearences, checks or other wise, not a show quality dog, ect and on and on.. I haven't seen this person back on the board in the last 3 months..

Breaders like Brad said take there buisness pretty seriously with the goal of producing the perfect dog acording to the breed standard, and breading for any other purpose is ir responcible.

yes its true that breaders used to cull below standard puppies, but on the other side of things, where would these puppies end up if they didn't? we used to do the same thing on the farm if the pig had to many babies to take care of properly and so on. a good breader will have several dogs but only have 1 litter in a year from a spicific dog. I know where I got mine it was mom's first litter and she was 3 years old. they won't breed befor 24 months old as that is when they get the final clearances and even though they have 8 bitches they only have 1 or 2 litters a year as they only breed matches that they feel will better there dogs.

so ya there have been a couple negitive posts but, no where near what there could have been. the deed is done so it realy doesn't matter now. what matters is they are taken care of to the best of your ability and placed in what you feel is the best homes you can find. so enjoy them while they are young and don't get to attached

Still waiting for pictures, take lots they change so fast.

Steve

[Chaloupa]

Originally Posted by Aquattro

Unfortunately a publicly posted thread is subject to input by anyone, it's the whole point of public posting. And let's face it, it's not the first thread that has gone on a tangent, nor the last.
And the point of my posts, as well as Deb's, is to possibly inform potential puppy buyers of the problems brought about by backyard breeders and how it impacts the future lives of all dogs, in this case the puppies being bred as well as existing Bostons sitting in rescue right now, looking for a home.
Basically, hobbyist breeding of dogs is frowned upon by serious dog lovers, for a variety of reasons, and should be left to people that have dedicated years to their breeding program, resulting in improving the breed, not supplying a market demand.
This is not to suggest that anyone is a money grabbing puppy mill, but rather that perhaps many people in this position are ill-informed on the plight of the current dog population, much of which is a direct result of backyard, although well-meaning breeders.
And as a serious dog person, when something like this gets posted publicly, you're getting my opinion, solicited or not. And if just one person reading it thinks a bit harder about whether to breed or not, or where to purchase a puppy from, then I've contributed to the solution, not the problem.

Very well said.

And to the comment made "I can pretty much guarantee that very very few breeders would spend more time and attention to their dogs and puppies than what I am giving" by the OP...I am hoping this was said to indicate your dedication to your dogs rather than a slam at breeders. Most breeders I know, having worked in a very large veterinary hospital for 21 years were incredibly dedicated and loving with their litters.

This is a public forum where, just like ANY other public forum you will get the good and what you consider the bad response..there are many of us that are very passionate about people breeding animals of any kind....and with good reason. Many of us have extensive backgrounds with animals welfare and know the nasty statistics not just the cute statistics...just because all of the puppies get homes, DOES NOT mean that all those homes are going to be great, or that they are going to keep that dog, and that it will not end up in a shelter. That's where you can pray that it's a no kill shelter, and not one that has such a high turnover they can't keep them longer. Breeding dogs is about the next 16 years of each puppies life, not about selling them all and carrying on.

I do wish Ginger well...and hope that all the puppies are adopted into loving and long term households.

[lockrookie]

im sure those dedicated dog breeders started as back yard breeders at some point in thier lives when they first started out

just my 2 cents
im done and handing thread back to owner good luck with the puppies again

[Chaloupa]

Originally Posted by lockrookie

im sure those dedicated dog breeders started as back yard breeders at some point in thier lives when they first started out

just my 2 cents

That's rather broad and judgmental ...and if there were statistics to show, I'm sure that this is far from the truth.

[lockrookie]

fair enough my apologies not all but some of them.