HQI vs. Mogul

[Eyford01]

umm if it helps i have a 55g tank about 20" deep and use one 250W 14000k single end bulb on a probe start ballast and everything seems very happy from my zoas and shrooms up to my squamosa montis and digitata and everything in between i know very little about light just that this one seems to work for me!

[Gizmo]

HL649, I Ran 2 250w XM 20k Mogul Bulbs on my 75G. I build my own xfmr using a probe start ballast. Worked like a damn. I still use the XM20k on my SPS tank and they grow well under that light.

[kien]

If need be, you could always raise the lights from the top of the tank. That's what I had to do. It can be a bit of trial and error.. My current tank is 20" deep and my lights (250w 14K DE HQI) sit about 12 inches off the water's surface. That height seems to be just right for my SPS that are on rock work and my LPS'/zoos that are on the sandbed. I like the added bonus of having virtually no salt creep on my lights which I always hated when I had my lights lower. I haven't really heard from anyone who was overly disappointed with either light technology.

[Myka]

I'm a total halide fanatic, but I wouldn't run halides on an LPS tank. Too much light, plus you pay only a little less for a 150w or 175w halide bulb as you do for the higher wattages, so it just seems a waste. If I decided to make my tank LPS dominant again I would sell my halides and get T5s. I had an LPS tank recently that ran very well for 2 1/2 years with T5s. Most people would be surprised how little light LPS need in order to thrive. Many people over light them, and when they cut back lighting they experience much brighter colors. Besides, the T5 bulb choices give you lots of options for "color cheating".

[StirCrazy]

Originally Posted by Myka

I'm a total halide fanatic, but I wouldn't run halides on an LPS tank. Too much light, plus you pay only a little less for a 150w or 175w halide bulb as you do for the higher wattages, so it just seems a waste. If I decided to make my tank LPS dominant again I would sell my halides and get T5s. I had an LPS tank recently that ran very well for 2 1/2 years with T5s. Most people would be surprised how little light LPS need in order to thrive. Many people over light them, and when they cut back lighting they experience much brighter colors. Besides, the T5 bulb choices give you lots of options for "color cheating".

this is kind of a grey area, MH is not to much light for LPS, but if you were using T5's for a long time they will take a while to adjust. look at the reef around austrailia and haiwii, there are LPS in 5 feet of water which are reciving more PAR than we could ever dream of putting in our tanks. the problem is most people don't have enough flow in there tanks to prevent/minimize bleaching. I have done exparaments after reading a few articles on bleaching and water flow and which a low flow rate of 20X turnover I could bleach the heck out of frags, but when I increased the flowrate to 120X I couldn't get them to bleach at all with all other conditions being the same.

now just increading pumps isn't enough, the trick is to spread the flow out all over so it ends up being a gentle current not a jet wash, I had a 94 gal tank with almost 12000 gph flowing in the display, but you could put your hand anywhere and all you felt was a gentle flow.. it took me about a week of screwing around with placment and such and I don't think you would ever acheive this with a sand bed (as the flow on the bottom of my tank was the same as the middle and the top) and you may have to be willing to rearange your rock to give you the best flow not the best look, but you could probable achieve both with a little more paitents than I have

Steve

[Snappy]

HQI double ended all the way!

[Myka]

Originally Posted by Snappy

HQI double ended all the way!

I'll take DE over SE any day too!

[fkshiu]

Originally Posted by Myka

I'll take DE or SE any day too!

If I am right in assuming you mean "DE over SE any day", then my question is why?

[Myka]

Grrr...I just replied, and managed to lose it.

Basically, I prefer the look of DE over SE. When I comment on someone's tank "Nice lighting", 9 times out of 10 it's DE powered by electronic ballasts. I also like the spotlight effect of DE which makes coral placement easier.

Originally Posted by StirCrazy

this is kind of a grey area, MH is not to much light for LPS, but if you were using T5's for a long time they will take a while to adjust. look at the reef around austrailia and haiwii, there are LPS in 5 feet of water which are reciving more PAR than we could ever dream of putting in our tanks. the problem is most people don't have enough flow in there tanks to prevent/minimize bleaching. I have done exparaments after reading a few articles on bleaching and water flow and which a low flow rate of 20X turnover I could bleach the heck out of frags, but when I increased the flowrate to 120X I couldn't get them to bleach at all with all other conditions being the same.

now just increading pumps isn't enough, the trick is to spread the flow out all over so it ends up being a gentle current not a jet wash, I had a 94 gal tank with almost 12000 gph flowing in the display, but you could put your hand anywhere and all you felt was a gentle flow.. it took me about a week of screwing around with placment and such and I don't think you would ever acheive this with a sand bed (as the flow on the bottom of my tank was the same as the middle and the top) and you may have to be willing to rearange your rock to give you the best flow not the best look, but you could probable achieve both with a little more paitents than I have

Steve

This is interesting. I have always struggled to get high flow without blasting spots, but I don't have the patience to mess around with it for very long, and I never seem to get anywhere anyway. I know my LPS are PO'd about my Wavebox, and it's been at least 4 weeks since I installed it, so you would think they would be used to it by now...??

[StirCrazy]

Originally Posted by Myka

Grrr...I just replied, and managed to lose it.

Basically, I prefer the look of DE over SE. When I comment on someone's tank "Nice lighting", 9 times out of 10 it's DE powered by electronic ballasts. I also like the spotlight effect of DE which makes coral placement easier.



This is interesting. I have always struggled to get high flow without blasting spots, but I don't have the patience to mess around with it for very long, and I never seem to get anywhere anyway. I know my LPS are PO'd about my Wavebox, and it's been at least 4 weeks since I installed it, so you would think they would be used to it by now...??

hehe, and I will take a SE bulb over a DE anyday unless there is a space issue, the increased PAR and distrubution from a SE is to nice when it is run off the same ballast as the DE.

What I found is that I had to create natural low flow areas for the LPS, the hard part was making these areas as small as possible so I didn`t end up with an area 5 times the size of the coral with a lower flow. some times all it would take was a stratigicly placed rock to disrupt the flow enough for the LPS. then the trick was to make that rock look good while it is doing its job

Steve