iPod and Home Stereo

[banditpowdercoat]

Originally Posted by mike31154

So do mp3 files play properly on a 5.1 or 7.1 surround sound? Are they encoded with sufficient data to separate the signal into the 5 or 7 channels plus sub woofer or is it the software in the surround sound systems that work the magic? I know certain DVDs have specially encoded soundtracks to play properly on 5.1 or 7.1 surround systems and older ones have less sophisticated soundtracks. The better home theater systems will still mix/multiplex the signal and send sound to each speaker but the quality will suffer on 2 channel stereo encoded soundtracks. How do mp3 files compare to one of these DVD soundtracks? If I were to seriously consider limiting my system to an ipod with mp3 files, I would want to be certain they're going to sound proper on a multi channel system, not just two speakers and a sub.

No, MP3's are not encoded for 5.1 Surround. Most Surround systems will "Fake" the surround. But at home, I switch my system to 7 channel Stereo, when I play music.

[mike31154]

Originally Posted by banditpowdercoat

No, MP3's are not encoded for 5.1 Surround. Most Surround systems will "Fake" the surround. But at home, I switch my system to 7 channel Stereo, when I play music.

That's kind of what I figured and what I meant by the surround receiver mixing or multiplexing the simpler mp3 coding to make use of all speakers. "Fake" is a little more harsh, but apt, I suppose. For those who remember old 8 tracks or reel to reel tape machines, it was the tape that separated each track as mixed by the sound engineer. I'm not clear how this is done in the digital realm. Most reel to reel machines were two track, but my Dad had a Studer Revox that was a four track, more heads. The analog stereo receivers had to be fed the appropriate signal for each amplifier stage, in most cases stereo, i.e. two channels only L & R... no subwoofer even! I actually still have a Telefunken receiver which simulated 'quad' technology, quite avant garde in the late '70's. Not sure how that's mixed with analog technology, but the back of the receiver has DIN connectors for 4 speakers.

If I'm not mistaken, Imax films have their soundtrack encoded in up to 16 channels, all on a strip of the film itself. With the digital age, the capability is there to isolate each instrument, if you will, and send it to the speaker of your (or the receiver's) choice. Just not convinced that mp3 files have that level of sophistication. I don't think bitrate has anything to do with separating audio signals into different channels for distribution to individual speakers. The receiver has to do all the work there and if it's not encoded properly in the first place, I believe the sound quality will suffer.

[Aleks]

Originally Posted by mark

sort of relates so not really a highjack but what do people use for artwork?

Had been using tunesleeves (freeware) for years but recently reinstalled my OS and when I went to get tunesleeves again found now has limited downloads. Liked it as it worked with iTunes, searched then dropped in the artwork automatically.

Amazon.....or just right click in itunes and get album artwork....only works if the album/artist are correct

[mark]

Originally Posted by Aleks

Amazon.....or just right click in itunes and get album artwork....only works if the album/artist are correct

Not sure Amazon does a search through your whole library then automatically downloads the artwork and adds it to the tag like tunesleeves did.

As for iTunes itself, thought you need a iTunes account (by providing a credit card) then doesn't it only do artwork for MP3 purchased through the iStore (not one you've might of ripped or downloaded). Haven't tried it though as not big on passing around my credit card.

[Slick Fork]

I tunes finds art for everything, whether you bought it from apple or not.

[banditpowdercoat]

Not everything. AC/DC does not get reccognized by iTunes. makes me mad, because I have every AC/DC album ever made. I belive the count is up to 27 now?

[Oscar]

Originally Posted by mark

Know a few people who detest iTunes and use Media Monkey for everything.
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Thanks for the tip on Media Monkey. I will give that a test drive.

Obvious next question: Which iPod/mp3 players are people using?

[Pescador]

There are now mp3 files encoded for 5.1.
From Wired http://www.wired.com/entertainment/m.../2006/02/70230
If you have the storage room you can use one of the lossless codecs like mp4 SLS or FLAC for an identical copy of the original audio after decompression.
The newer receivers support lossless formats for audio.

[mike31154]

Cool, not too long and mp3 files will be obsolete as well.....

[macky]

As far as mp3 players go... I own 2 ipods, a Dell mp3 player and an Archos mp3 player. I personally hate itunes (required to put music on an ipod) and love the fact that with the 2 players I can just drag and drop file onto it. But, despite that con (itunes) the ipods sound way better that the other 2 players, even with the same exact files. I would recommend the ipod.