SmallFry's first tank.. (27g FOWLR)

[SmallFry]

Originally Posted by Doug

Hi. Good to see another from around here on the board.


Welcome
to Canreef

Originally Posted by BlueAbyss

+1





You guys are all in the south though, where a LFS is actually local.

Thanks for the welcome - does it ever strike you as ironic that we're keeping saltwater fish about as far away from the sea as you can get?

[SmallFry]

So it's been a good while since I updated this, mainly because until recently not a lot's been happening - I've been deliberately going slowly, especially as I've started off with very little live rock.

Oh, and the computer kind of temporarily died too...

After talking to the people at the LFS, I bought a couple of Mollys to give the biological filter a bit of a kick (the tank had cycled at this point, I just wanted to get the bacteria colonies growing a bit). In hindsight this might not have been the best idea, but they have been eating some of that darn algae, though feeding them has probably been fuelling it too.
Thinking about it I also should've had a clean up crew before any fish, but hadn't found a source of these that didn't involve a lot of money for shipping a few snails.. I have now found somewhere that has them, so not a mistake I'll be making again!

The nitrates have bottomed out, though I think that may have something to do with the hair algae eating them all, ditto phosphates..

A while back I had an outbreak of cyanobacteria which was unpleasant to say the least. I think that basically I water changed my way out of trouble on this one - sucking off as much of it as possible each time and then running some phosphate media in an effort to mop up the phosphate before the cyanobacteria got to it. I now have some still, but much, much less than before..
I also now have a skimmer which is helping to keep things a little more under control too.

Having got that sorted I felt confident enough to get my first real saltwater fish, a tomato clown. He's a bit of a character, and gave the Mollys a bit of a run for their money in the beginning (both got small chunks taken out of their tails), but after a couple of days peace broke out and tails are almost back to normal.. The clown is quite a character, but does have one odd habit that I've no explanation for. He'll put his nose against a rock (usually the one in the corner of the tank below his lurking/sleeping spot and swim really hard for a second or so, sending sand just about everywhere and digging himself a hole in the process. There's now a heap of sand you may be able to see on the bottom right of the tank which is the result of his excavations. Any ideas what on earth he's up to??



I also managed to get my hands on some critters for a clean up crew. I now have a couple of bumblebee snails, three zebra turbo snails and two blue legged hermits, though on closer inspection one turns out not to have blue legs. Oh well! I can see why hermits can be a problem if you get too many, they are just plain crazy. Entertaining, but crazy.

The turbo snails are putting in some hard work eating all that algae - it's going to take them a while to catch up as there are only three, but I prefer that than to have more of them and them run out of food and starve. In any case I'm pretty impressed with their work, all those clean patches on the rocks are the result of just under a weeks work.. I think given a few more weeks they'll be pretty near caught up.. Hopefully without that hair algae the corralline which is just starting to colonise will get a bit more light and make some more progress..

I'll try to update this a little more often in future..

[fishytime]

Looking good!.....just a heads up.....bumblebee snails arent reef-safe....they are predatory to other snails....dont know why lfs sell them as reef-safe?

[SmallFry]

Originally Posted by fishytime

Looking good!.....just a heads up.....bumblebee snails arent reef-safe....they are predatory to other snails....dont know why lfs sell them as reef-safe?

Uh-oh.. Will they go after the turbo snails (who are twice their size)? I was under the impression that they ate detritus from the sandbed when I bought them, though I heard afterwards that they went for worms and things like that, but not about the snails. Maybe I should evict them before they get too hungry i.e. while I still have all three zebra turbo snails?

I'm only FOWLR at the moment, but I plan to go reef when I upgrade - yes, only running for 5 months with a few fish, and I'm already sort of planning my upgrade (won't happen for a good while though)! This hobby is addictive - they should have warning stickers on all the tanks so you know before you buy one...

[fishytime]

Originally Posted by SmallFry

This hobby is addictive - they should have warning stickers on all the tanks so you know before you buy one...

Definitely....and stickers that say " these snail eat other snails"

[SmallFry]

So another update..

The snails have been working hard over the past couple of weeks and the hermits have been doing their bit too. You can see a lot more white patches on the rocks now. It's taking a while but I think patience will be rewarded... Also I still have all the turbo snails - none have been eaten by the bumblebee snails (which seem to do a fat load of absolutely nothing).



Unfortunately you'll also note that the Mollys have had their tails bitten again, so I'm trying to find a new home for them before they get eaten or stressed to death.

If I'm honest I didn't really appreciate quite how grumpy the clown would be...

Anyway, now that I *have* a grumpy tomato clown, any suggestions as to what I could add now that won't get beaten up? I'd like a shrimp or two of some sort, and another fish or two. Would he go for the shrimp as well - if he did they probably wouldn't stand a chance - he's quick..

I'd wondered about a yellow headed jawfish and I like the coral beauty and flame angelfish, though I suspect adding either of the latter might be too much in my small tank - best left to after the inevitable upgrade?. Any thoughts or livestock suggestions appreciated.

The other option I'd considered was another tomato clown to make a pair (they'd be the only fish in there). Is my tank big enough for this, and could I do it without starting world war 3 in there?

Rob

[Doug]

As long as the clown does not see the newly introduced shrimp as food, they will be fine. I have seen large adult clowns eat small shrimp when being put into tank. Just make sure they are larger in size.

Its a crap shoot trying to introduce another clown. Could try a tiny one and see if she will accept it as a mate. Be prepared to remove it though if she beats on it. Most of our attempts at adding a mate for a larger clown, has failed.

Although your tank is on the bottom end of size for a coral beauty, with lots of rock it may be ok. Find one thats eating mysis at least and better yet mysis & spirolina flakes. They are a tough fish and a brute also, so as long as the tomato accepts it, which again is a question mark.

With a smaller tank like that and no corals, perhaps you could remove the clown to a holding tank while adding something else and then put the clown back. Perhaps even a smaller tomato. If you could get a pair of them to live together, that would be a nice and easy to keep pair of fish for your tank. For sure I would not add any other similar sized fish then, like the angel.

Or, you could add smaller tough fish like a royal gramma or some of the other dottybacks or something like a 6-line wrasse. They both are tough and as adults, are ignorant brutes like the clown.