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Old 12-01-2008, 06:08 PM
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Default Use trace 1-4!!!!!!!!!!

I have been running now for 1 1/2 years.. I have a 110 gallon total system.. 8 drops bio every 3 days!! always.. I dose AMIN (2 ml) bak (1ml) and smin (1ml) a day.. every day..

I use to dose organics but have since gone the way of trace 1-4 .. I dose 15 ml of each every 3 days// Huge change!!!!! I wish I did this earlier ..Blues, purples and pinks have increase dramatically since using trace 1-4 .. it only took 1 week to start seeing the colors come out .. and because I did this 1 year into my system I know its beacause of the trace.. Also ULTRA LIFE is doesed every 3 days ( 1 tsp) good feeding response when this is added.. Later
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Old 12-01-2008, 06:23 PM
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Hi Fencer

Add the first fast reading it seems all things going to fast.
Our Products are very strong so more a problem of overdosing then most other stuff which is on the market

I need some more technical information about tank size and
technical you use and your water parameter
Then i will give you your Dosing recon.
If you have just now the full Zeo and the corals get brown and you lost one
as sample it shows me that the changes in the system are quite heavy and fast
Such a change need months till all parameter are correct and all corals
turns in this kind you want.
The reason is following

Ultralith take the ammonia out of the water and corals which
lives from Ammonia must change their metabolsim to the food which we get them. This can take some time.

Send me your details and i will read again to understand all
what you write
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Old 12-02-2008, 07:05 AM
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Tank Description:
72 gallon tank mainly sps / 2 x175MH and 2 x40 03 Actininc
33 gallon tank mainly lps / 1 x250MH
both lights run under 12hour cycles
bioball sump + 40 gallon sump feeding both tanks
Skimmer - Beckett DIY (looks like a PM2)/ with 20% recycle into sump
Carbon in phosban reactor changed 1 per month
Calcium reactor, mineral trace supplements are added (salifert) at 5 ml/week
Live rock accounts for 15% of tank volume
SPS are at the top 50% of the tank
Both tanks have sand bottoms
10% water change per month
Parameters
Ca 420 ppm
dkH 8
Nitrate and Phosphate...not detectable
Salinity about 30 ppt
Mg,Iodine and K tests to follow
pictures will follow
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Old 12-02-2008, 08:29 PM
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Hi Fencer

Thanks for your information

As first donīt dose other Trace elements together with our system we just
have enough elements in our system.
Only dose a small amount of Organic when you receive it and don’t dose any
Amin for now
reduce the Ultralith to half and also BAK, you have too much bacteria
content too soon.
Increase Min S 50 % more.

Before you make the new dosing please send me your water parameters this is
important to work out the correct dosing of your system.

I write you a new short manual cause i see that most users uses AMIN and
ORGANIC in full Dosing at the beginning and also use other manufacturer
elements that compete with our system. This can produce too much Organic
compounds and to much Trace Elements which make corals brown and reduce grow

Start with the Basic and then if corals become bright starting everytime
with 10 - 20 % of the recon, Dosage and increase very slow the dosing till
you find your right level

Please send me all details then i give you the right dose

Claude

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Old 12-02-2008, 09:04 PM
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So this is correct?

1) discontinue the dosing of trace elements
2) Never used Organic or Amin because I was not sent the product
3) Remove 50% of UltraLith from the reactor( 1 liter to 0.5 liters)
4) Reduce Bak to 50%(0.5ml)
5) Increase MinS by 50% (1.5ml)
6) Keep UltraBio at same dose? 5 drops

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Old 12-02-2008, 09:16 PM
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HI Fencer

Please send me the complete water parameter
so that i can better give support for you

So this is correct?

1) discontinue the dosing of trace elements

+++ At the moment yes

2) Never used Organic or Amin because I was not sent the product

+++ No only at the beginning it will be to much and later use Powertrace
but this i will tell you when the time is right.

3) Remove 50% of UltraLith from the reactor( 1 liter to 0.5 liters)

++++ Did i understand it correct that the volume of both tanks is together ?
also 72 + 34 gallons ist this the real water volume or the tank volume ?

4) Reduce Bak to 50%(0.5ml)

+++++yes

5) Increase MinS by 50% (1.5ml)

+++++ yes also but let us first clear all tank details

6) Keep UltraBio at same dose? 5 drops

+++++++ Yes same as Min S

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Old 12-02-2008, 09:25 PM
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total volume
= (72+33)*0.85 + 40 = 129.5 gal or Aprox 500 litres true volume

New MinS dose 1.5 ml
New Ultra Bio dose 8 drops
New Bak dose 0.5 ml

Which readings are you interested in?
Will give you new water readings on Friday after the above is changed

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Old 12-03-2008, 10:14 PM
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Hi Fencer

So we will go step by step
if it will be possible please send me also a picure
of that tanks.

I need

No3 ; Po4 ; Salinity ; dKh , Ca , Mg, Pottasium Ph and maybe also a
heat Po4 Test.
Please wirte me also which test you use.

Your next dosings

1. Min S 3 ml/ daily
2. Bak 0,5 ml/ daily
3. Bio 4 drops every 3 days

4. Ultralith only 500 gramm no change at the moment
5. Carbon 125 gramm ( Ulta Carb )
6. Water change weekly 10 % with good salt

Did you use a calcium reacor or
balling ?
greets

Please keep me updated how your corals react
i need this to supportyou correctly
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Old 12-04-2008, 04:32 AM
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Adjusting to new changes:

1. Min S 3 ml/ daily
2. Bak 0,5 ml/ daily
3. Bio 4 drops every 3 days
4. Ultralith only 500 gramm no change at the moment
5. Carbon 125 gramm ( Ulta Carb ).....This has already been changed last week
6. Water change weekly 10 % with good salt...will change on Sunday
7. Water Parameters coming Friday
8. Will be adding fish to the LPS tank on Dec 4th
9. I use a Ca Reactor...not likely to switch to balling
10. New pictures ...all new ones Dated DEC 3( Sorry not a very good photographer)
http://s496.photobucket.com/albums/r...view=slideshow
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Old 12-08-2008, 05:11 AM
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Dec 7th
Did a 10% water change today. 3 fish (never thought I would have fish in my tanks)were added to the LPS tank...a few more coming later. I thought I would check the water parameters after the water change...so they will be done Monday. The change in MinS dose has resulted in more polyp extension in all the corals. I have noticed every coral exhibiting increased growth rates..even from Dec 3rd.....
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