when are we going to have a

[Ryan_Lap]

Hopefully never,

I dont need anymore tanks.

[StirCrazy]

Originally Posted by Ryan_Lap

Hopefully never,

I dont need anymore tanks.

oh come on, sure you do We'll have a friendly one, no money for entering, just bragging rights. and no silly price lists, what you pay is what it costs, but no recycling major equipment.

Steve

[Trigger Man]

I'm pretty sure I've got an empty 33g just iching to be filled again.

[StirCrazy]

I think idealy it would be a 1 year long contest, with no water for the first 6 months. this would allow people to take there time and build/buy something that they actualy want and realy like.

Steve

[superduperwesman]

Originally Posted by StirCrazy

oh come on, sure you do We'll have a friendly one, no money for entering, just bragging rights. and no silly price lists, what you pay is what it costs, but no recycling major equipment.

Steve

What does this mean??

[sphelps]

If you're looking to eliminate pricing disputes like those seen in the current nano contest then the only way I see that being possible is to eliminate the budget completely. Believe it or not the price list actually prevents many disputes, if contenders were allowed to use any price things would probably be way worse.

Constraints shouldn't be placed on variables like prices, apply constraints on constants like total water volume and things will go much smoother.

Also I think entry fees and prizes are a good thing, it will keep contenders interested and more likely to see the contest through to the end. Otherwise you'll have many contenders and very few finalists.

[Trigger Man]

Originally Posted by sphelps

If you're looking to eliminate pricing disputes like those seen in the current nano contest then the only way I see that being possible is to eliminate the budget completely. Believe it or not the price list actually prevents many disputes, if contenders were allowed to use any price things would probably be way worse.

Constraints shouldn't be placed on variables like prices, apply constraints on constants like total water volume and things will go much smoother.

Also I think entry fees and prizes are a good thing, it will keep contenders interested and more likely to see the contest through to the end. Otherwise you'll have many contenders and very few finalists.

Good points that I agree with them, especially the fact that prizes do help keep interest going. Lessons learned from the past contest should be taken into account. If this contest does get started, I'm thinking maybe it should be started after Christmas.

[StirCrazy]

Originally Posted by sphelps

If you're looking to eliminate pricing disputes like those seen in the current nano contest then the only way I see that being possible is to eliminate the budget completely. Believe it or not the price list actually prevents many disputes, if contenders were allowed to use any price things would probably be way worse.

Constraints shouldn't be placed on variables like prices, apply constraints on constants like total water volume and things will go much smoother.

Also I think entry fees and prizes are a good thing, it will keep contenders interested and more likely to see the contest through to the end. Otherwise you'll have many contenders and very few finalists.

all I am looking at is that the prices that are listed are not realistic, there is no way some one could get thoes prices on the island.

The purpose of your contest was to set up a tank for XXX.XX not one of thoes tanks I have seen could be done for that amount honestly. why arn't you adding in the costs of the tank, stand ect.. that is the most expensive part if you do it nice and is probably one of the bigest factors on the end result.

I am building anyways, thought it might be interesting to see some one build a simular size and see how a few tanks can be built in a specific size range and the differances in cost to build them.

I am not going after what can you do for 300.00 or what ever, I want to do something that is a quality setup for the long haul. I also want to see how different people handle there equipment and the desisions they make on what there going all out on, what there doing themselves, and what there making do with.

I do agree that there has to be something to prevent rich people (which I am definatly not one of) from going out and just getting a turn key package, so maybe some rules on stuff you have to do yourself, like you have to make your own stand. Cannot start with a reef ready tank, ect..

that is the reason I was thinking of 6 months befor you even have to have water in it to give pour people time to save for what they want to do and to allow time for other people to clean out there garage to a point where they can actualy build there stand hehe

for prises maybe we could get something from the sponcers? have a few different prises like one for best build, where the reward could be a gift certificat for live stock or rock, then after the water is in and the tanks have aged there could be a vote for nicest overall, maby a couple different catagories for price range, ect....

wouldent be to hard to set up a contest with some restrictions to controle the builds, and then make it into 3 catagories, 2000 and under, 2001.00-3000.00 and 3K and up.

anyways I am going to go dig out my glass cutter and try take a bit off the back of one of the 27 gal tanks I have... wish me luck

Steve

[Chaloupa]

Originally Posted by StirCrazy

The purpose of your contest was to set up a tank for XXX.XX not one of thoes tanks I have seen could be done for that amount honestly. Steve

Steve

Sorry Steve but I do take offense to this. I have built my tank for the XXX.XX dollars, my stand was all of 41.00 and my tank was 16.00. Questioning the integrity of the people in the contest on their honesty is probably not what you meant...but it's how I took it.

The reason that we don't include those costs is we were following the same build idea as done by Nano-reef.

[sphelps]

you see what I mean, contest hasn't even started and already some disputes about pricing, the only way to eliminate these is to eliminate the budget. People can always post their costs for those who are curious. Spending a lot of money does not mean you'll have a nice tank, I think we can all agree on that.