"xenia crash" can someone see the problem in xenia picture i posted

[dabandit]

For the gentleman who says you cant rush a cycle I suggest you educate yourself on the subject ,there are a variety of ways to rush an initial cycle.
I've pulled it off in about a week using cured re seeded live rock,1/2live sand from an established tank and 1/2 water from an established tank. Basically at that point your just doing a 40-50%water change. p.s when the store told you no cycling on the live rock they ment no die off on the live rock,cycle still needs to be done to add the bacteria and such.

[Powertec]

Originally Posted by dabandit

For the gentleman who says you cant rush a cycle I suggest you educate yourself on the subject ,there are a variety of ways to rush an initial cycle.
I've pulled it off in about a week using cured re seeded live rock,1/2live sand from an established tank and 1/2 water from an established tank. Basically at that point your just doing a 40-50%water change. p.s when the store told you no cycling on the live rock they ment no die off on the live rock,cycle still needs to be done to add the bacteria and such.

The idea on the you can't rush a cycle. Is how exactly do you propose he is going to do that now after the tank is already set up and has livestock in it?I am very aware at the fact that you can push a cycle but that is all before you add a tank full of stuff who is gonna suffer now as it wasn't cycled properly before it was all added.

And you might want to educate yourself on base rock. It does still have a cycle.I bought 150 pounds of base rock and i still had ammonia and went through a full cycle. So in all reality you still have die off.All the stuff that dies in all the nook's and crannies inside that rock will decompose when added to water.If you are buying actual live rock which has been dried out that is...Which is what he stated to me he bought.

[dabandit]

Ok partner I can see I hit a sore spot for you. The question was can you rush a cycle the answer is yes.....simple. Im sorry the liverock you bought wasnt fully cured,fyi all liverock will allways leech these nasties even after years in a tank die off is a never ending battle as the pores of the rock fill with detrious and dead bacteria. Ask around partner I know im not the only one rushing cycles like this. P.S if you want to skip cycle buy your liverock from a fellow reefer directlly from display ie(seeded) rather than from an lfs.

P.S I never said you didnt have to cycle,it just speeds it up as the nitrifying bacteria are allready present. Similar to the cycle you get when you add a new fish
also why couldnt he replace his rock or add new stuff? I suggest you take a deep breath read what I wrote and think about what your saying

Cheers

[dabandit]

When you added 150 lbs did you also use established sand and 50% established water as I stated? again partner,read before you speak

[Nebthet]

I am terribly sorry you bought dead live rock and you LFS was not helpful. I would suggest going back to them and having their manager educate them out the door for the poor information they gave you.

If you purchase dead live rock (the dry stuff), it take at least a month or more to properly cycle in your tank. If you purchase cured live rock (the stuff fresh and kept in saltwater and never dried), this will significantly reduce your cycling time between two to three weeks. It is a bit more expensive, but worth it because you commonly get hitchickers in it.

Live sand has the same standard. If it is straight out of a bag you will have a longer cycling time than if you use that in addition to getting a cup of seeded live sand from a fellow hobbiest.

I have a 24gallon. I purchased my live rock cured and I used the crushed coral because it came with the tank used and while it was dead when I go tit because it was kept in cold water, it still retained some bacteria which helped. and I also seeded the tank. I had a shorter cycle because I was able to set everything up within 24hrs of recieving rock and also was given the tank water to be able to take the live rock home in, meaning I could seed my tank with that too.

Within 3 days I had detritus growing, and I had 5 small featherdusters and a week after that octo polyp corals growing on my live rock. Once my detritus stopped taking over the tank so much, I was then able to add my Cleanup Crew, and a couple coral frags, which are doing great in my system. But for every item you add, you will get a spike and will have to go through another cycle for a couple of weeks.

It is a lot of work to keep a saltwater tank.
Also, do not add stuff to the water. It doesnt need it. If you must add something, ensure your tank is at least 4 months old and corals are growing and you "have to" add it to keep the corals healthy, not to make them grow.

No tangs. Your tank is too small. You can get away with about 4 maybe 5 fish in a 35 gallon. Clowns, Gobies, Cardinals, Damsels, Pygmy Angels.

Read, Read and Read some more. It will hurt your head, but keeps money in your wallet in the long run.

Try not to take offence to the advice given. We were where you were once.

Hope this helps.

[superduperwesman]

Originally Posted by dabandit

Ok partner I can see I hit a sore spot for you... ...Ask around partner I know im not the only one rushing...

Cheers

Originally Posted by dabandit

... again partner...

I'm confused... You want him to be this kind or partner or this one

[The-new-guy]

Iam way to lazy to rush or push a cycle. I could see if this was your first SW tank and wanted to to get to the salty goodness faster but Like I said Iam way to lazy to go through the trouble.

My last tank i set-up I

1. dump in sand
2. add salt water
3. stack rock ( I dont clean rock when being added to new setup, helps kick cycle into gear )
4. Wait a month ( or until all readings tests at 0 well not all readings )
5. add stuff.

Your xenia does look ****ed, not dead but mad.

just keep reading these and other boards no one starts SW knowing everything out of the gate. oh ya find a new LFS or at least someone in that store that has a better handle on giving out good info.

Peace out!!

[Murminator]

It's fine just not happy now soon it will over taking everything and you will wish it was dead