Trouble Getting Alk up in established tank dosing Nitrates

[Craigdillman]

So last question here

The rule is I can’t raise dkh by more than 1.4 per day, so if I add say 125ml of my alk solution and after I trst it didn’t move it I’m safe to add more the same day is that right or

[gregzz4]

Are you testing fairly soon after dosing?
With Randy's formula, you should be seeing some increase with that dose. 125ml in 150g would give just over 1dKH.

You mentioned Sodium Bicarb, then sodium carb. Which are you using?

Are you using Randy's mixing instructions, or what other instructions?

Have you used another test kit to confirm your results?

How many total gallons do you estimate you have?

[gregzz4]

I'm available to talk for a bit right now ... dinner's coming soon

[gregzz4]

Originally Posted by Craigdillman

So last question here

The rule is I can’t raise dkh by more than 1.4 per day, so if I add say 125ml of my alk solution and after I trst it didn’t move it I’m safe to add more the same day is that right or

I'm looking for answers to the questions I posted before I recommend any further action.

[gregzz4]

I'm out
I'll check back tomorrow afternoon

[Craigdillman]

Hey sorry I got a bit busy tonight , Ill respond to this now and ill check back tomorrow thanks for the help I’m in no rush, just going at this slow

So I got 125g with a sump of 75g with rocks and everything I always used approx 125 g of water total

I have all the same supplies as Randy or bulk reef

What my plan was is to dose daily 2 part with calcium chloride and sodium carbonate . BUT I was going to use sodium BIcarbonate initially to raise the dkh back to 8 before the nitrate dosing and it dropped

I ordered a Hanna and just got it in the mail today so I’m going to use it to test tomrorow 24 hours after I dosed a full 125 and see where we are at and go from there .

The calc and mag are holding up at 410 and 1380 yesterdya

Thanks for all the help

[gregzz4]

Right now, are you dosing 125ml Sodium Carbonate, or Sodium Bicarbonate?
Remember you need to use twice as much SB as the recommended dose of SC if you are mixing per Randy's formula.
Personally I've never dosed SB so double-check the methodology as I can't advise you there.

You mentioned at the start of your thread that you dosed then tested the next day with no change. Keep in mind that your tank may very well be using as much or more than that dose daily. I've had my total system volume of 115g use easily over 100ml daily, and you have a lot of big consumers.

If it were me, I'd check the Alk right before dosing, and then @ 30 mins and 1 hour after.
This will let you know whether the mix and the amount dosed are correct.
If you don't get the desired effect there are a couple things you can do.

One would be to test your mix. Randy states 1ml of his mix raises 1g of water by 1.4dKH.
Add 5ml of your SC mix to 1 gallon of RO (presumably 10ml SB?). This should give you a result of 7 dKH. Then add one more ml (2ml SB). This should take it up to 8.4dKH.
If you're not sufficiently close to those results, revisit your mixing instructions/methods.

Next thing would be to have your LFS test your Alk, Ca and Mag to rule out kit and testing errors. Remember that low Mag will prohibit raising Alk.

After you know for sure that you're good to go, you can then confidently start with testing 24 hours later to find your daily dKH usage.
Once you've done that for a couple days you can go ahead with the additional dose to start raising it.
Personally, and because you said you're good to go slow, I wouldn't raise it by more than 0.5dKH daily, although some state it's safe to go as much as 1.0dKH daily. I see no need to rush it.

If it were me;
Once I found the daily maintenance dose I'd use a doser and spread it out over a 24 hour period. I had mine dosing every 2 hours.
For the additional dosing you can do it manually or add it to your doser timing, but still spread it out over the whole day.

[gregzz4]

Just for clarity sake ...

I've been using Randy's recipe for years. When I wrote using a gallon of water for testing, I should have written 3785mls as I know this to mix perfectly.

And making your own SC, I place 594g of baking soda on a tinfoil-lined cookie sheet and bake it for 30 mins @ 300F.
This mixed into a total volume of 3785mls was perfect. Not adding it to 3785mls, but rather adding it to, say, 2-2.5l, then topping up to 3785mls.
If you add it to 3785mls you'll end up with a weak/diluted solution.

[Craigdillman]

Thanks so much for all the help, I’m on the right path now

I’ll let you know how it goes

[Craigdillman]

Alright so , after a few days things starting to move in the right direction

so alk sitting at 6.3 now on the hanna and its pretty close on the red sea kit as well.

So its looking like my tank is eating approx .75-1dkh a day. I dosed the tank 125 ml of Sodium carbonate yesterday 1 hour after it was 7 on both the tests, 24 hours later its showing 6.3 now.

So my loose plan was to start alk dosing daily on the doser to dose .5dkh per day( 60ml solution) and then I can hand dose the extra 1.4 a day and just reevaluate as we go and eventually that should catch up over a week or so and i can stop hand dosing.

Mag and Calcium is holding up .

Soon as i get alk stabilized i will start calcium 2 part to match the alk dosing does that sound good ?

Edit dosing the 125 ml is raising my tank 1.1 dhk at 45 min after so im pretty sure my mix is good good call on that