Concerning the new Buy/Sell posting format

[arash53]

If you add poll to this thread or post a poll ,everyone could vote.

I dont like it too.

Also I dont like the posts are not editable anymore!!!! so annoying

[burgerchow]

Originally Posted by Madreefer

If there's anybody who should be complaining about any of the rules of this site it should be only those who are actually paying for the site. No member at all should be complaining. I personally think the Random Thoughts thread is a total joke and just a source for those who like to post pad. My solution to that is to not read it. There is far too many members that think of themselves as moderators by jumping on people's posts and stating the rules of the site. ie: prices, location, how old a thread is and even grammar. Why don't you people let the mods do as they are appointed. Police the website. This site sure isn't like it used to be. Start sharing some knowledge about reefing. Some of you members want totally stupid amounts for your frags. Why not start trading instead of selling. Or better yet start giving frags and corals away if they get too big or you no longer like them. What goes around comes around. As I've been told on this site by several people "if you don't like it go away or don't read it". I don't like this or that and the website should do this or else. If your not paying for the site or a mod than you have no right stating rules or complaining. Until that time than keep your fingers off the keys and keep it related to what the sites actually supposed to be about.

My sentiments exactly. Been watching this thread since it was posted, and surprised that you, Madreefer are the only one that thinks the same way as me. We don't own this site, and it is a privilege that we can use it without having to pay anything. Whoever owns a company can do or change any policies or ways of doing business any time he wants.
You guys shouldn't complain. If you don't like it, just leave.
The rest of you sound like a bunch of bleeding heart liberals.

This site is not a democracy. I was fortunate enough to find it a few years back and it has helped me learn some things and also helped me buy and sell a few things. If they change the format, I learn to adapt, or go find me a new site with a better format that suits my liking.

[freezetyle]

Originally Posted by arash53

Also I dont like the posts are not editable anymore!!!! so annoying

Being able to edit posts was good for the sales threads. But I think I prefer it without. People tend to skew their normal behaviour on the internet and that feature helps to keep people accountable for their actions.

[reefwars]

Originally Posted by burgerchow

If they change the format, I learn to adapt, or go find me a new site with a better format that suits my liking.

and that helps make the site better how???


like it or not the site revolves around its members , sure its a business...but its a business that wouldnt exist without its clientelle......the members. alot of canreefs members put in alot of time and effort, sure they dont need to but they do and because of this we created a community. i dont know about you but ive met just about most the members from calgary,edmonton and st.johns prob over a 100 people, im friends with alot of them its gone farther then just people on a site. we all are what makes the site and our imput is important, it helps keep the site interesting and with the amount of smart minds around here its no doubt the site will get better.......a little debate over headlines and policies are to be expected its part of expanding and growing

[Aquattro]

Originally Posted by reefwars

......a little debate over headlines and policies are to be expected its part of expanding and growing

And I've got to say, after all the posts so far, this thread has remained very civil. Thanks to everyone for keeping it that way.
While yes, this is a business, and no, it's not a democracy, it is a community of hobbyists that come here, some as regulars, and some new, to enjoy a common topic.
We like to keep the board as a place people like to come and chat with their friends, or rant about how they just killed everything
Feedback on "features", good or bad, help keep the board as a place people like to come back to...
There have been some good suggestions so far, and I'll be bringing them up for discussion with the rest of the team. There's a few things I'd like to see happen here to make the hobby better and easier, without stepping on sponsor toes.
Anyway, carry on, I've asked the boss to read this, and hopefully explain the new format (cause I'm confused )

[titus]

Hello

Brad thanks and have been watching it. I welcome the feedback but am on the road so can't reply properly at length (am on an iPhone). So keep commenting civil, just drop the can't edit feature as that was done much earlier on for a separate reason. Also keep in mind the following with the comments and discussions:
1) Prefix isn't setup to curb fragging. It provides a means for me to generate some stats of the top members who initiates what categories of Buy / Sell threads. And who are the ones abusing the site to do basement businesses. It serves as a guiding metric only for further follow up.
2) Canreef don't kneel in front of sponsors but does have to appreciate their contribution and watch out for their associated concerns. We don't mind losing sponsors if it conflicts with keeping the site opened for discussions and so far I haven't seen how we have come to become that way. Maybe we should start a separate thread to collect evidence of this later so we can see what we can do to avoid this.
3) I too hate the length and wordiness of the current format. But acronyms are confusing to me as well. So anyone who can suggests shorter phrases that carries the same meaning I can change to that also.
4) Didn't know it'd cause an issue to New Posts since last visit feature so I'll investigate a bit on that separately.

Titus

[MKLKT]

Maybe set it so that those wordy categories are picked while making the thread so it's logged for your stat taking but make it show as FS, LF, etc on the thread titles with no link? Short and sweet and makes sure you don't forget it in title.

Or single words like sale, buy, group, need?

[jorjef]

Just a few thoughts. The site has made the change, the reasons aren't for me to worry about first because I rarely sell anything and two because it's beyond my control. If I was to list something for sale it looks like all I would have to do is add a couple of clicks to either choose a prefix or not to, big deal. Second, and it took me awhile to see what others were seeing and complaining about. If you want, click on "portal" rather than "new posts" by doing so the prefixs aren't shown in the title line of the post. The threads all list in the exact same order minus the prefix and the forumn that the thread is posted in, both useless information for me so I'm no worse off. I have never used the "new posts" tab and have always used "portal" both take you to the same location one just without the extra info that does seem rather annoying but can be avoided

[Seriak]

I don't think it is so much that they are wordy, but more confusing.

So if I am selling hardware, I am assuming it becomes one off. If I am selling coral frags, it could be one off or recurrent. But what time frame do I use. Let's say it was 1 month, 3 months, or even 6 months since my last frag sale. At what interval is it recurrent instead of one off. I don't think the one off of excess goods prefix is really useful.

Also, are you going to be moderating people and their use of the prefixes? What if someone always uses A rather than B as a prefix even though B might have been the better choice. I think this will give you more head aches then it's going to relieve and still not clear up the problem of appeasing the vendors by trying to weed out chop shops and small business from members who are just trying to subsidize this expensive hobby.

Either way, I still like the idea of implemementing a member contribution tool. You just have to make it clear that the contribution is a donation and does not give you any say in the operation of the site.

[jorjef]

Originally Posted by Seriak

I don't think it is so much that they are wordy, but more confusing.

So if I am selling hardware, I am assuming it becomes one off. If I am selling coral frags, it could be one off or recurrent. But what time frame do I use. Let's say it was 1 month, 3 months, or even 6 months since my last frag sale. At what interval is it recurrent instead of one off. I don't think the one off of excess goods prefix is really useful.

Can't a person just pick "no prefix" and not worry about it?.....nope I guess not, just tried.. lol.. Personally I wouldn't worry about time lines. If they think you are abusing the privilege of selling they will let you know.