Stocking a 25 gal

[sarzeff]

I would like some help with ideas for stocking my tank. It's 25 gal, I plan on adding about 20-25lbs of live rock and I also have a side cansiter filter. I don't plan on having corals.

What would be a good cleaner crew? 1 crab, 3 shrimp, 3 snails? What are good kinds of crabs/shrimp/snails to get? Also, is it better to go with an extra shrimp or snail instead of the crab or vice versa. I think the crabs are pretty neat and wouldn't mind having one in there though.

For fish I would really like to have a yellow clown goby and a green clown goby in there. I was wondering if you think with the cleaner crew in there would I be safe adding one to three other small fish? I would like possibly a firefish and a royal gramma, or something similar. Something colourful and non-aggressive that will be small.

Thanks

[naesco]

Originally Posted by sarzeff

I would like some help with ideas for stocking my tank. It's 25 gal, I plan on adding about 20-25lbs of live rock and I also have a side cansiter filter. I don't plan on having corals.

What would be a good cleaner crew? 1 crab, 3 shrimp, 3 snails? What are good kinds of crabs/shrimp/snails to get? Also, is it better to go with an extra shrimp or snail instead of the crab or vice versa. I think the crabs are pretty neat and wouldn't mind having one in there though.

For fish I would really like to have a yellow clown goby and a green clown goby in there. I was wondering if you think with the cleaner crew in there would I be safe adding one to three other small fish? I would like possibly a firefish and a royal gramma, or something similar. Something colourful and non-aggressive that will be small.

Thanks

One hermit crab is OK. They are predators and will eat good stuff in your tank.
Do not get bumble bee snails as they are also predators. I would add one cleaner shrimp and one peppermint shrimp The cleaner to clean the fish and the peppermint to eat any aptaisia that gets into your tank.

You should acclimate all inverts using the drip method and do so for of 2 hours to be safe.

[Snaz]

Originally Posted by naesco

One hermit crab is OK. They are predators and will eat good stuff in your tank.

Why so down on hermits? They are by far the best CUC in my tank. I have a handful of small red legged hermits that get every pellet, mysis or other food that hits the sand or rock. I have NEVER seen my hermits do ANY harm to a coral.

[Leah]

small bluelegged hermits are great you could have a couple
Snails I would add later and lots to choose from nassarius, trochus, astrea
Crabs are cool maybe a small emerald
Not sure if the 2 gobies would get along but one would be okay
the firefish and gramma would be good
in one of my 25 I have a gramma and assessor
hope this helps a little

[naesco]

Originally Posted by Snaz

Why so down on hermits? They are by far the best CUC in my tank. I have a handful of small red legged hermits that get every pellet, mysis or other food that hits the sand or rock. I have NEVER seen my hermits do ANY harm to a coral.

Why so down of hermits

1. They killl snails.
2. They are predators. They spend all day searching for tiny invertebrates
that breed in your tank and provide your coral with natural food.
3. They irritate some LPS causing them to remain fully retracted and recede.
4. Many reefers have observed some of them have a taste for some corals.

The idea of a reef eco system with a sandbed and live rock is to maintain a high level of critters in our tank that feed our fish and coral . Hermit crabs decimate them.

One or two are not going to do much harm but the "marketing concept" that you need a CUC (clean up crew) composed of so many snails and hermits is simply marketing and nothing else IMO,
Too many hermits cause the stated problems
Too many snails simply die of starvation and pollute the tank.

[naesco]

Originally Posted by naesco

Why so down of hermits

1. They killl snails.
2. They are predators. They spend all day searching for tiny invertebrates
that breed in your tank and provide your coral with natural food.
3. They irritate some LPS causing them to remain fully retracted and recede.
4. Many reefers have observed some of them have a taste for some corals.

The idea of a reef eco system with a sandbed and live rock is to maintain a high level of critters in our tank that feed our fish and coral . Hermit crabs decimate them.

One or two are not going to do much harm but the "marketing concept" that you need a CUC (clean up crew) composed of so many snails and hermits is simply marketing and nothing else IMO,
Too many hermits cause the stated problems
Too many snails simply die of starvation and pollute the tank.

Snaz, I subscribe to the view of Dr. Shimek who wrote on the subject of CUC.
Don't get me wrong. a Hermit Crab is fun to watch.

[sarzeff]

I do really like to watch the hermit crabs, but don't want too many in there if they are going to be troublesome. I think the shrimp are really neat too, I would have a load of them if I could.

I have a feeling I'll be getting a bigger tank in a few years lol.

[Leah]

You will not have any problems with the hermits as it is a fowler set up even if you have softies it will be fine

[sarzeff]

Here is what J&L Suggests for 15-25 gallons:
12 - Blue Legged Hermits
3 - Red Scarlet Hermit
5 - Astrea Snails
5 - Margarita Snails
5 - Cerith Snails

And this for 5-10:
5 - Blue Legged Hermits
1 - Red Scarlet Hermit
3 - Astrea Snails
2 - Margarita Snails

I would like to add a couple shrimp as well, if I went with the 5-10 gallon package and 2-3 shrimp (1 or 2 cleaners, 1 peppermint) would that be too many?

[Leah]

Yes