when are we going to have a

[StirCrazy]

25 to 33 gal tank contest?

Steve

[Ryan_Lap]

Hopefully never,

I dont need anymore tanks.

[StirCrazy]

Originally Posted by Ryan_Lap

Hopefully never,

I dont need anymore tanks.

oh come on, sure you do We'll have a friendly one, no money for entering, just bragging rights. and no silly price lists, what you pay is what it costs, but no recycling major equipment.

Steve

[Trigger Man]

I'm pretty sure I've got an empty 33g just iching to be filled again.

[StirCrazy]

I think idealy it would be a 1 year long contest, with no water for the first 6 months. this would allow people to take there time and build/buy something that they actualy want and realy like.

Steve

[superduperwesman]

Originally Posted by StirCrazy

oh come on, sure you do We'll have a friendly one, no money for entering, just bragging rights. and no silly price lists, what you pay is what it costs, but no recycling major equipment.

Steve

What does this mean??

[sphelps]

If you're looking to eliminate pricing disputes like those seen in the current nano contest then the only way I see that being possible is to eliminate the budget completely. Believe it or not the price list actually prevents many disputes, if contenders were allowed to use any price things would probably be way worse.

Constraints shouldn't be placed on variables like prices, apply constraints on constants like total water volume and things will go much smoother.

Also I think entry fees and prizes are a good thing, it will keep contenders interested and more likely to see the contest through to the end. Otherwise you'll have many contenders and very few finalists.

[Trigger Man]

Originally Posted by sphelps

If you're looking to eliminate pricing disputes like those seen in the current nano contest then the only way I see that being possible is to eliminate the budget completely. Believe it or not the price list actually prevents many disputes, if contenders were allowed to use any price things would probably be way worse.

Constraints shouldn't be placed on variables like prices, apply constraints on constants like total water volume and things will go much smoother.

Also I think entry fees and prizes are a good thing, it will keep contenders interested and more likely to see the contest through to the end. Otherwise you'll have many contenders and very few finalists.

Good points that I agree with them, especially the fact that prizes do help keep interest going. Lessons learned from the past contest should be taken into account. If this contest does get started, I'm thinking maybe it should be started after Christmas.

[StirCrazy]

Originally Posted by sphelps

If you're looking to eliminate pricing disputes like those seen in the current nano contest then the only way I see that being possible is to eliminate the budget completely. Believe it or not the price list actually prevents many disputes, if contenders were allowed to use any price things would probably be way worse.

Constraints shouldn't be placed on variables like prices, apply constraints on constants like total water volume and things will go much smoother.

Also I think entry fees and prizes are a good thing, it will keep contenders interested and more likely to see the contest through to the end. Otherwise you'll have many contenders and very few finalists.

all I am looking at is that the prices that are listed are not realistic, there is no way some one could get thoes prices on the island.

The purpose of your contest was to set up a tank for XXX.XX not one of thoes tanks I have seen could be done for that amount honestly. why arn't you adding in the costs of the tank, stand ect.. that is the most expensive part if you do it nice and is probably one of the bigest factors on the end result.

I am building anyways, thought it might be interesting to see some one build a simular size and see how a few tanks can be built in a specific size range and the differances in cost to build them.

I am not going after what can you do for 300.00 or what ever, I want to do something that is a quality setup for the long haul. I also want to see how different people handle there equipment and the desisions they make on what there going all out on, what there doing themselves, and what there making do with.

I do agree that there has to be something to prevent rich people (which I am definatly not one of) from going out and just getting a turn key package, so maybe some rules on stuff you have to do yourself, like you have to make your own stand. Cannot start with a reef ready tank, ect..

that is the reason I was thinking of 6 months befor you even have to have water in it to give pour people time to save for what they want to do and to allow time for other people to clean out there garage to a point where they can actualy build there stand hehe

for prises maybe we could get something from the sponcers? have a few different prises like one for best build, where the reward could be a gift certificat for live stock or rock, then after the water is in and the tanks have aged there could be a vote for nicest overall, maby a couple different catagories for price range, ect....

wouldent be to hard to set up a contest with some restrictions to controle the builds, and then make it into 3 catagories, 2000 and under, 2001.00-3000.00 and 3K and up.

anyways I am going to go dig out my glass cutter and try take a bit off the back of one of the 27 gal tanks I have... wish me luck

Steve

[superduperwesman]

Originally Posted by StirCrazy

We'll have a friendly one, no money for entering, just bragging rights. and no silly price lists, what you pay is what it costs

Might as well just get everyone on canreef to post a picture right now and have a vote

Originally Posted by StirCrazy

I think ideally it would be a 1 year long contest, with no water for the first 6 months. this would allow people to take there time and build/buy something that they actually want and really like.

And force those who want to get the tank established quickly to wait?? I don't get why we would make rules on when people can have water?? Factors like that change with the person and effect the result. People who rush getting water in could have way more growth in a year... others who like to take there time and plan might have a better design but a tank that is less filled out.

Originally Posted by sphelps

Also I think entry fees and prizes are a good thing, it will keep contenders interested and more likely to see the contest through to the end. Otherwise you'll have many contenders and very few finalists.

I agree... people already have a hard time posting pictures at the right time when there is prizes and they've paid... if you remove these it'll just get random and too hard to actually track the contest with out it essentially just turning into tank journal threads

Originally Posted by StirCrazy

all I am looking at is that the prices that are listed are not realistic, there is no way some one could get those prices on the island.

I think that was the idea... to have the prices the same for everyone to even the playing field. That way if your in a place with 20 lfs or 1 lfs you all get "the same pricing." They probably could have been a little more realistic but I don't think that was the main goal?? <<< but just because I understand the function of the current price list does not mean I think it's the best way to go about it.

Originally Posted by StirCrazy

why arn't you adding in the costs of the tank

I think it was because everyone would be deducting almost the same amount for the tank, sand, rock etc. I mean we could include all those prices but like you said...the budget couldn't be $395 but it would increase by essentially the same amount for everyone... I mean how much of a difference are you going to pay for rock in a ten gallon?? tank $20, sand $10, rock $80, magnet cleaner $14, thermometer $10 etc. = $134 ok so the Budget is now $529 and everyone is at ____ + $134. Everyone knows the tank cost money but do we really need to include it in the budget when they're all the same?? Plus the the budget should not be the main focus... it's there to kinda help keep things even but it's not the focus so why would it matter if common factors are removed... I guess this is all coming down to how you view the function of the budget??

Originally Posted by StirCrazy

I do agree that there has to be something to prevent rich people (which I am definatly not one of) from going out and just getting a turn key package, so maybe some rules on stuff you have to do yourself, like you have to make your own stand. Cannot start with a reef ready tank, ect..

Sounds like your catering the contest to what you think is best for you?? That's life... some people have more money. You can't discriminate because they do... then your just leaving them at a disadvantage because you don't like what life handed you... but hey if it handed you money and not diy skills tough luck guess you can't play??

Originally Posted by StirCrazy

that is the reason I was thinking of 6 months befor you even have to have water in it to give pour people time to save for what they want to do and to allow time for other people to clean out there garage to a point where they can actualy build there stand hehe

Same deal sounds like your catering the contest to your needs... my garage is clean... but hey I'll wait 6 months to put water in because you need to clean your work space??

Originally Posted by moldrik

Why instead of setting up a limit on budget, set a limit on other things such as:

Ammount of LR/LBS
Ammount of Substrate/LBS
Ammount of Inverts
Ammount of Fish
Ammount of Corals / Category ( SPS, etc.. )

Like others have said, the limit on the price is something that doesn't regulate properly due to a huge variation. If price "needs" to be taken into consideration, then a big enough buffer needs to be established to take into consideration in order for a decent tank to be created in a city where things are expensive.

Why should a contest's motivation/bottleneck be people trying to find the cheapest possible second-hand hardware/livestock VS. being creative with the things that they could possibly achieve when creating a tank in a certain category?

Agreed.... there should be general guidelines on what amounts you can have... prices should have to be posted in detail but there should be no limit on the budget. If people want to vote for a tank because it's the nicest for the money spent fine!

The way I see it there should be rules (picture post requirements etc.), entry fees, there should be prizes, there should be general guidelines on quantities allow to keep the tanks in the same field, but other than that you should just have to post ALL of your prices. If someone has more money so what that's life... we want to restrict what people spend to have the illusion that we can make the nicest tank?? It's a hobby that cost A LOT of money and the more you have the nicer your tank CAN be... but it still takes more than money. Just my $1.52