Is it just me

[Slick Fork]

Or are prices really kind of crazy???

Now don't get me wrong, Although I mostly lurk it's not my first day and I'm guilty of shelling out some pretty big bucks for various items.

I guess what's prompting this is a thread I keep seeing bumped up a "SALE" on a certain companies two part containers. Now, in the interest of keeping this civilised it's not a bash on the retailer as I've never had any dealings with them... this is just what prompted me to comment on prices in general

I mean really, they are offering on SALE a pop bottle sized container capable of holding liquid for the bargain price of $40 and I'm supposed to be excited? I could understand $15 or $20 as a retail price cause after all, you do get the straw that reaches to the bottom...

Same goes for some of the skimmers out there. I can understand the portion of price that goes to the pump but lets face it, the rest of it is simply a plastic jug with a specific shape. I get that some research and development goes into these things but when you prices going into the THOUSANDS of dollars and huge add ons for ridiculous stuff. You want a bubble plate... you know a thin plastic disc with holes drilled in it... that'll be an extra $100 (if you're lucky). I've heard the old argument that the materials are expensive and they use nothing but the best acrylic but come on, it's gotta hold water and mix it with air. I don't need it to withstand atmospheric re-entry or earn a 5 star crash test safety rating. Advanced engineering... half this stuff is mass produced in China and once the physics were figured out all these companies do is make minor adjustments in shape to see if they can tweak it a little.

I know, companies charge what the market will bear... maybe that's the problem. When someone see's a 2.5 litre jug for $40 and says "Hey, that's a good deal" instead of going to Canadian Tire or Wal-Mart and paying $5 for a juice jug they really are making it worse for all of us.

I'm sure I could think of lots more examples but I've probably ranted enough for now! Again, not a bash against any specific vendors... just the dry-goods industry in general!

Cheers

[The Grizz]

I have to agree with you Slick, the cost of certain dry good's is a hard pill to swallow for sure. I wish the price of T5 bulbs where a little better or that you could get a nice discount when you order 4 or more , 8 or more or in my case 16!

[ScubaSteve]

Yes, I agree with you here but there is more to this (I'm neutral stance in this area, BTW).

First of all it's the whole mentality of a niche product for a niche market and we're gonna charge you through the nose (not necessarily the retailers but the manufacturers/distributors as well). Plus they know you have the money (because you're already spending it) and they know you are going to buy it (let's face it, this hobby is more addicting than heroin... which actually might be the cheaper option) so they can more or less charge what they want.

Granted they do have to make a profit and in higher risk ventures (I wouldn't exactly call aquarium supplies a low risk business) you charge more for taking the bigger risk. Plus, people have to make a living at this or we wouldn't have any of this. I know how this works; I own a tech business myself and I have to design, build, sell and price things accordingly.

However... there is a point where things start to get ridiculous.

For some items I can understand all this but for some... I want to smack people (the buyers) upside the head for being too lazy to put something together on their own or drooling over the next little tweak in the newest version of whatever like it's the new iPhone and walking in there with their wallets out (it's kinda like watching a junkie get their next fix...).

If you want an elegant solution or product, you are going to be paying more for it until it reaches some sort of critical mass (which is likely hard to achieve in this industry) or the manufacturers go for a more cost effective design (for example, the containers that sparked this whole debate... they're pretty, elegant, effective but that is not the most cost effective design). However, if you desire the elegant solution over a DIY unit, then you have to be prepared to pay for it.

If you (as in a general "you"... not you specifically) don't like the prices, learn to make these things yourself (which can often be the more expensive route if you need to buy the tools and such). If you don't know how to design and build things, ask around here. Heck, I'll gladly post tutorials on how to design and build certain items if people are interested (most aquarium parts are just miniaturized versions of equipment from my industry).

The high prices suck and I agree they are ridiculous but I can guarantee you that there aren't many aquarium retailers or manufacturers ripping around their own tropical island in a Ferrari .

[reefwars]

$149 for one bulb I don't use that in my house in twenty years lol

[Wayne]

I certainly hear yah! I was in my LFS not to long ago and looked at one of those gynormis skimmers the size of a small microwave... $1500.

$1500 for some plastic and 4 pumps...

[OceanicCorals-Ian-]

Something told me to look at this thread, since we are the company offering the containers on sale I would love to jump in here!

We too think the cost of dry goods on some occasions can be high too, especially in the case of the containers among others; however, every other dealer in the country is obligated to sell them for $75 for the 5L and $60 for the 2.5L. I would think we are doing our best here to make things hurt a little less......

I run the containers at home and they are actually really handy and work better than a plastic container with a loose airline sitting in the bottom. Are they worth $75 and $60 respectfully? No. But would I still buy them at regular price if I were a regular hobbiest? Yes. The reason being because they are exactly what I was looking for.

Some things to remember when questioning the cost of goods in our industry when gross margin and profits are concerned;

1. Niche Market lower production volumes
2. Cost of production
3. Cost of Marketing
4. Cost of R&D
5. Distributors of the items have to stay in business with "acceptable" margins.
6. Cost of shipping in minimum quantities
7. Cost of Duty and custom brokerage
8. Cost of utilities
9. Cost to run systems (Salt, Water, Food, misc supplies)
10. Paying employees
11. Paying for insurance
12. Covering costs of business systems including 2-3% for credit card processing and Paypal
13. Paying for websites and hosting
14. Absorbing livestock losses
15. Absorbing returns and defective goods
16. Advertising
17. The list goes on and on.....

Originally Posted by Slick Fork

Or are prices really kind of crazy???

Now don't get me wrong, Although I mostly lurk it's not my first day and I'm guilty of shelling out some pretty big bucks for various items.

I guess what's prompting this is a thread I keep seeing bumped up a "SALE" on a certain companies two part containers. Now, in the interest of keeping this civilised it's not a bash on the retailer as I've never had any dealings with them... this is just what prompted me to comment on prices in general

I mean really, they are offering on SALE a pop bottle sized container capable of holding liquid for the bargain price of $40 and I'm supposed to be excited? I could understand $15 or $20 as a retail price cause after all, you do get the straw that reaches to the bottom...

Same goes for some of the skimmers out there. I can understand the portion of price that goes to the pump but lets face it, the rest of it is simply a plastic jug with a specific shape. I get that some research and development goes into these things but when you prices going into the THOUSANDS of dollars and huge add ons for ridiculous stuff. You want a bubble plate... you know a thin plastic disc with holes drilled in it... that'll be an extra $100 (if you're lucky). I've heard the old argument that the materials are expensive and they use nothing but the best acrylic but come on, it's gotta hold water and mix it with air. I don't need it to withstand atmospheric re-entry or earn a 5 star crash test safety rating. Advanced engineering... half this stuff is mass produced in China and once the physics were figured out all these companies do is make minor adjustments in shape to see if they can tweak it a little.

I know, companies charge what the market will bear... maybe that's the problem. When someone see's a 2.5 litre jug for $40 and says "Hey, that's a good deal" instead of going to Canadian Tire or Wal-Mart and paying $5 for a juice jug they really are making it worse for all of us.

I'm sure I could think of lots more examples but I've probably ranted enough for now! Again, not a bash against any specific vendors... just the dry-goods industry in general!

Cheers

[mark]

supply and demand (that's why toilets are so expensive). Need to get more people hooked on reefing to bring the price down.

[lockrookie]

Originally Posted by ScubaSteve

The high prices suck and I agree they are ridiculous but I can guarantee you that there aren't many aquarium retailers or manufacturers ripping around their own tropical island in a Ferrari .

i agree the retailers are not but the mfg may be depending on where and who is mfg it

the way i look at it if you have the money and want the "brand name" tommy hillfigure or whomever gucci bag type product for the oooooh and ahhhhh factor. then so be it. if your like me who likes the value village handme down getto tank(hopefully without skid marks) that does the job and still get the oooh and ahhh (little less ooh and ah than the name brand). i have no problem buying your hand me downs. they work.

all in all its a hobby, all hobbies are expensive. i once had the pleasure of watching a guy build a scale plane. spent thousands. got to see the first flight. got to see 3 grand and many hours of work fall from the sky and smash into millions of parts. just as we watch our tanks crash. difference between us and planes we dont worry about the cost of the crash as much as the poor corals and fish that suffer the crash. just my opinion.

[Wayne]

Originally Posted by mark

supply and demand (that's why toilets are so expensive). Need to get more people hooked on reefing to bring the price down.

Need to get more people hooked on Reefing! That is the answer

[The Grizz]

I would like to know how much profit is made on a 54w T5 bulb when the LFS sell them any where from $27 - $32 depending on brand. Just my 2 cents but bulbs are to expensive for how short of a life they really have.