Calcium Reactor, kalk reactor?? which one?

banditpowdercoat · #1 02-15-2010, 02:31 PM

I think I need something to keep my CA levels in check while im out at work. My wife will not dose. She feeds and cleans glass, thats about it. There have been some accident's while she has been looking after the tanks. none her fault, but she feels overwhelmed by all the dosing etc. So, I am gone on a 50/50 basis, right now 2weeks out, 2 weeks home. But other times it's 3wk/3wk.

I really don't want to spend the $, nor have the room 'yet' for Co2 tank etc for a true Ca reactor, unless I found a setup cheap enough???

Now what about Kalk? I have read and like the Nilsen reactor or Kalk stirrer style reactors. I was thinking of feeding my ATO through one? But, here's where I can't find much info. How do you know How much Kalk to add? Like does it vary? or does it self regulate? Can you overdose with ATO style addition? I know it needs to be added slowly, My ATO ads only about 2-3 cups at a time to the tank, so keeps fairly constant levels. But, we use the ATO res for other FW tanks water too, and it's on an auto refill system off the RO/DI so adding kalk to the res is not an option.

I don't have much Ca requirements in tank right now, but will be adding some shortly. I just have this fear of the Ca plummeting while i'm away and killing my corals

imcosmokramer · #2 02-15-2010, 02:38 PM

how big is your system? 2-3 cups is a ton. You add a bunch of kalk to the reactor, and then watch it dissolve over time. You can't add "too much" per say, bc only so much will dissolve in the water that is in the reactor at any given time.

Hopefully your system is huge, bc 2-3 cups of kalk water will shoot your pH through the roof.

Please add some more info and I'll check back.
________
Adellina

banditpowdercoat · #3 02-15-2010, 02:42 PM

150g tank, with about 45g in sump too.

So a reactor will be kinda self limiting due to only so much being able to dissolve?

PS, I can set my ATO to add less, more frequently too.

imcosmokramer · #4 02-15-2010, 03:20 PM

yes, you can only dissolve about 2 tblsp in a gallon of water, if you add more, it will just remain at the bottom. The reactor will keep mixing the kalk every so many hours, so you'll be good.

As far as your ATO, isn't it on a float switch? Why do you need to regulate it at all?

If you must, then small amounts throughout the day is much better.

There is a risk, however, that you should be aware of. If something goes wrong with your ato, you can overdose on kalk. I, personally, am willing to take that risk. You can always user a controller to tell you ato to stop topping off if pH > x and alert you

________
Roll A Joint

banditpowdercoat · #5 02-15-2010, 03:32 PM

Nothing will go wrong with my ATO, it's PLC controled, and yes, it's on a float sw. I dont have the sw control the pump directly, there is a timer programed in. A 'debounce' timer. The floats like to bounce a bit. turning on/off/on/off. This is hard on pumps. The Debounce timer is set so the float has to be ON for X time, before turning the pump on. Presently, I have it set for 20 minute's I think. Which equate to 2-3 cups water evap. If I lower it to say 1 minute, it should be <1 cup. Longer times mean less pump cycles, less wear. Starting and stopping is harder on contacts and motors than leaving them run

mark · #6 02-15-2010, 03:42 PM

got a Ca reactor and they can sort of be set and forget but considering moving to a dosing unit. Been reading good things about the Bubble-Magus BM T-01

untamed · #7 02-15-2010, 03:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by banditpowdercoat

So a reactor will be kinda self limiting due to only so much being able to dissolve?

Careful here... The CONCENTRATION of Kalk will self limit because it can't dissolve any more...but that doesn't mean that you can't add too much Kalk to your system.

The amount of Kalk your system needs is based on how much Ca/Alk your system needs..NOT how much evaporation you happen to have.

It is certainly possible to add too much Kalk to a system by assuming that you need the same amount as your evaporative water. Checking your Alk level will tell you if you are overdosing.

Once you have significant Ca/Alk usage, you'll probably need more Ca/Alk than Kalk alone can provide. At that point, you might as well allow Kalk to flow with the evaporative replacement...but at that point you would also be supplying Ca/Alk some other way as well.

banditpowdercoat · #8 02-15-2010, 04:02 PM

Ohh soo confusing!!!

xtreme · #9 02-15-2010, 04:26 PM

Have you considered 2-part dosing? If you already have a PLC it can't be that hard to set up a couple dosing pumps.

whatcaneyedo · #10 02-15-2010, 04:39 PM

Another issue you might have is kalk back syphoning into your ATO water holding reservoir. I bring this up because its a problem that I have been having and if your fresh water tanks are using the same reservior they could end up being supplemented with kalk too... I've tried adding a small check valve. It jammed open within a few weeks so I dont know what you can do to prevent this.