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					Originally Posted by  Vancity
					 
				 
				All 3 products mentioned so far are acid based. I'm not sure of any non-acid based product that is as effective. I dilute the Muriatic acid unlike in the video, maybe 10:1 water:acid and leave for a couple hours 
			
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 10:1 on the acid makes it a bit weaker than vinegar. Muriatic is 33%? ish. Vinegar is 5. Unless you also dilute that 
