Just to move this discussion further along, exhibit A by the most excellent Gary White:
http://zeovit.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5770
In particular, this post:
http://zeovit.com/forums/showpost.ph...1&postcount=11
and...
http://zeovit.com/forums/showpost.ph...3&postcount=12
and onwards...
Skimmer or nothing my friends, but for more reasons than the obvious
