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Originally Posted by Aqua-Digital
I am going to drop out of this now as it is important for you guys to talk amongst yourselves over this but I will pinpoint some important facts below
1. The MAP price is set by Bubble magus, ALL distributors put on the table what they feel is correct based on market conditions and BM set the MAP from there taking all costs and market influences into consideration. So if you are unhappy with it contact them, we simply put our costs and proposals down and BM thumped the numbers from there based on everyones input.
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Yes, BM has final say on the MAP but you obviously had influence on that. Higher MAP means higher profits for you does it not? Enough said.
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Originally Posted by Aqua-Digital
2. BM is a high grade range, but they made an early mistake in marketing by selling it to anyone at factory prices. This in the short term has created threads just like this as "everyones" expectations were set so price point low. This will take time to reverse but it will do.
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As stated by others, BM is a decent mid range product, not high end. And I still don't buy this argument. They were not selling me a skimmer. They sold it to an overseas retailer who bought it from them just like they would get any other product directly from the manufacturer or through a distributor. I bought it from that retail store that happened to be overseas instead of down the street. So Bubble Magus had a wholesale price they sold at and the retailers added their markup and that's what I paid. Retail price in that market, not factory price. Stop trying to make this sound like Bubble Magus was selling directly to end users. They were not.
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Originally Posted by Aqua-Digital
3. The product is selling like crazy we cant keep it in stock, same as the other distributors, so does that mean we, BM, other distributors around the world got the price wrong?
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I guess in the end they (or you) charge what the market will bear. Good for you guys. Doesn't change the fact that they could have had larger market share by having a slightly lower price. Also doesn't change the fact that you and they have lost some additional sales due to the increased price. Eventually the initial spike in interest for BM will fill and they will become just another product competing with the Reef Octopus and Vertex and eShopps etc. I am far less likely to buy a BM again if there are other competing products in the same price range. I am not alone in that.
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Originally Posted by Aqua-Digital
4. For the product to have a legitimate right in this maket it needs correct pricing and fair pricing based on current market trends and client expectations. As the product has been well received at these prices BM will not change this, furthermore with these prices the product has become more widely available to more stores so more users have access to the product.
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That is bull$hit. Sorry but it is. This is a bunch of hand waving BS to try to justify a certain price point that has little basis in the economics of the actual product and more on the economics of how products in our hobby in general are marketed. Market trends and client expectations should be far less of a concern then what it costs to to make the product plus a reasonable profit for all levels in the distribution chain. And how exactly does higher pricing equate to greater availability? Really, can you come up with a logical argument? Lower pricing would mean higher sales driving more demand from retail stores wanting to carry the line due t even higher demand from the customers.
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Originally Posted by Aqua-Digital
Whichever way, you can continue to blame AQD for the price but then you are ignoring the genuine facts as per the email I placed in the last thread which clearly shows BM controlling our price.
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What facts? Them confirming a MAP that you yourself said you had input into it?
You still didn't answer my question. Who is profiting from the increased MAP? Bubble Magus or you? Did BM raise their wholesale price significantly along with the raised MAP? Or are the other levels in the supply chain the ones benefitting more from the higher MAP?