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Originally Posted by Aqua-Digital

Hi ian,

I would talk to your source quickly then, as things are a changin

Like I said, you won't win Michael.

You screwed yourself with us when you openly slagged our product on Reef builders,

Funny how someone like you would preach to all the perspective buyers here to buy overpriced products just because you have a captive audience when you clearly stated to everyone on Reef builders that it is easier to cut out the middle man and just get the product "yourself". A little of the Kettle calling the Pot black......??

This was taken from Reef Builders where Michael Hall (Aqua Digital commented on our NpX-Bio Bead announcement...

1. I’m curious about this stuff. Maybe someone who’s been using them for a few months will post here.
   As for the disclaimer on the page, I think that’s just a really bad way of saying “A good protein skimmer is an absolute must” just like manufacturers of other carbon/bacteria filtration products state. All nutrient reduction techniques using organic carbon/bacteria can crash a tank from oxygen depletion if the gunk isn’t removed by a properly functioning skimmer.
   
   Posted by: pickle
   April 27th, 2010 at 10:43 am
2. I don’t use this but I do think a good refugium at least 20% of tank size and a good LR Nitrate Test kit is a must. I have found that looking down the tube of a Lamotte that is less than 0.25 ppm Nitrate as NO3 is best way to have good growth without bleaching. Just a hint of color beyond blank. Not really a science but hazardously hoping organic fuel (either pellet or liquid) will balance itself out is reckless.
   
   Posted by: iggy
   April 27th, 2010 at 1:16 pm
3. From what I have seen and heard form people who have used these biopellets they really aren’t that effective. Personally Would stick to vodka and bacteria dosing. It is a much cheaper alternative and has a proven track record of results.
   I have been dosing bacteria and vodka for almost two years now with great results. I do not run a refugium or conduct regular water changes. Carbon dosing works well but it is not free of faults. As Pickle has stated, a large skimmer is a must.
   
   Posted by: Sonny
   April 27th, 2010 at 1:58 pm
4. Here is a link to a popular Canadian Reefing bulletin board with a ton of questions and answers (from Oceanic Corals themselves): http://www.canreef.com/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?f=170
   
   Posted by: Westcoast Frags
   April 27th, 2010 at 3:56 pm
5. “From what I have seen and heard form people who have used these biopellets they really aren’t that effective. Personally Would stick to vodka and bacteria dosing. It is a much cheaper alternative and has a proven track record of results.
   I have been dosing bacteria and vodka for almost two years now with great results. I do not run a refugium or conduct regular water changes. Carbon dosing works well but it is not free of faults. As Pickle has stated, a large skimmer is a must.”
   I agree with Sonny 100%. I also have been dosing vodka and bacteria for almost 2 years and following the various threads and really do not think it is worth the money.
   
   Posted by: Paul_PSU
   April 28th, 2010 at 6:46 am
6. Guys
   cut out the middle man on this stuff, seriously it is readily available to anyone wishing to buy in small bulk. You can even get it shipped from China for $35 including product for 1kg
   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polycaprolactone
   I am not going to make it easy for you to find a manufacturer as i have various here in canada and the USA, just google Polycaprolactone suppliers.
   
   Posted by: michael Hall
   April 28th, 2010 at 8:29 am
   
7. Polycaprolactone is NOT the same product as what is in Bioplastics used for denitrification! Michael (Aqua Digital), make sure you do your homework before suggesting people dump Chinese plastics in their expensive reef tanks. The biopellets used in the industry do not use Polycaprolactone, but instead use a similar (PHA) base polymer plastic with additional additives and mineral fillers.
   Bad advice.
   
   Posted by: David Jones
   April 28th, 2010 at 10:22 am
8. Sorry to be miss informed then I better tell me friends using these with equal success.
   
   Posted by: michael Hall
   April 29th, 2010 at 7:25 am
   
9. Here is the Tetra USA patent that they hold on Polycaprolactone bio pellets for use in aquariums
   http://www.google.ca/patents?hl=en&l...uction&f=false
   
   Posted by: michael Hall
   April 29th, 2010 at 7:40 am
10. Great link Michael, too bad it does not apply to this product. Wonder why you suggest cutting out the middle man when you are the distributor for Fauna Marin additives, people could cut “you” the middle man out and just us the VSV method and also purchase the zeolith media from China in bulk.(same thing).
    
    Posted by: Davis Jones
    April 29th, 2010 at 11:38 am
11. Alright everyone, please simmer down; let’s try to keep the discussion civil, respectful and distinguished.
    
    Posted by: Jake Adams
    April 29th, 2010 at 11:43 am
12. Something tells me the Fauna Marin and Zeo distributors are getting a little anxious considering how well these biopellets are working for people! There will always be a game changer in the industry! We may have one on our hands here……….
    
    Posted by: Sean Wyan
    April 29th, 2010 at 11:44 am
13. Firstly, I will opnely apologise my first post it was not meant to rattle and could have been worded a lot better, i even contacted ryan to edit it.
    That being said, I have ben approached to make our own bio pellets but the market will soon get flooded with these, there is no point, they are readily avaiable to anyone willing to do the research in supply. I have a friend using Polycaprolactone pellets bought openly right now and are working just fine.
    That does not mean that for the average user they should not buy them from an LFS who has gone to great lengths to package these up and market them. But if you do your research and wish to buy in large quantities yourself they are available. I say the exact same thing about ZeoLith rock, its expensive to ship and for the price if you can get it direct do so.
    In regards to the patent, I do not see the difference, but it would be great to be educated in what exactly the diffeence between the tetra Polycaprolactone patent and the bio pellets on the market. The above post stated that they are not Polycaprolactone and Polycaprolactone could not be used in a reef system, so why is tetra doing just that?
    The patent states clearly “pure Polycaprolactone”
    
    Posted by: michael Hall
    April 29th, 2010 at 1:56 pm
14. You mentioned some interesting points, I was actually referred here by a friend of mine. Defaintely good info. http://ddl2.com/download/Brian-McKnight—Evolution-of-a-Man-(2009).html
    
    Posted by: Elmo
    May 15th, 2010 at 4:29 am