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					Originally Posted by  Myka
					 
				 
				 
I can't believe that BRS has high shipping on the rock!  Are you making your order more than $200?  They have special shipping rates when you're under $200.  I found the shipping to be very reasonable when I looked into buying some of their Tonga Shelf rock. 
			
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					Originally Posted by  awa1979
					 
				 
				On 35 pounds of rock shipping was 60 something, 90 something for the rock when I was pricing around for some. 
 
I just went with wet rock locally in the end. It would be up to each individual to decide whats reasonable for shipping and whats not. 
			
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 Err, yes, it helps if you put in the right post code - price came down from $130 to $46 
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					Originally Posted by  Myka
					 
				 
				 You absolutely do not need that many critters for cleanup.  When you look at LFS's suggested cleanup crews they are ridiculous.  When a tank is first set up there will be a bloom in algaes, and the clean up crew (cuc) is there to help, but if you get a cuc that is large enough to keep your new tank clean right from the start you will end up losing a lot of the cuc to starvation when the tank balances itself out.  For a 25g tank I would suggest starting with (after the cycle has completely finished) 2-3 Astrea snails, 4-5 Cerith snails, and maybe 4-6 Nassarius.  Be aware that hermits will kill snails if they get hungry or want the snails' perty shell for their home.  For that reason, I have refused to keep hermits in my tanks. 
			
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 That sounds a bit more sustainable for sure, thanks for the tip on the hermits will have to think carefully about that..
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					Originally Posted by  Myka
					 
				 
				No, the wet/dry is not suitable.  The "dry" part will be a nitrate factory yes.  carbon impregnated anything is awful stuff as it is made with carbon dust, or real fine carbon which a certain amount becomes dislodged and ends up in the water column.  That is bad. 
			
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 I see, so your biological filtration is then all done in your live rock/sand.
Robin.