My new Astro "Black Ice" Clown Babies!!!
 

Just thought I would share some pictures and maybe start a journal on my new babies I am raising right now. I decided to call them Astro Clowns because many of them look like an astronaut wearing a white helmet and a white space suit! These little guys are only a couple months old and are such a joy to watch! They may look big but they are still less than an inch! Did I mention that they are such little piggies too? Always begging for food, I am amazed at how much they can eat! They are growing very nicely, at such a young age I think at 1 month, they were already developing thick black outlines around the white. As they grew, the black became more pronounced. I can't wait to see what they will look like when they are full grown! Here are some pictures I took of them today, I hope you enjoy! I will continue to update this thread of their progress and with more pictures as they grow!


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Hi Tim.

Let me know how much for a pair and when will they be big enough to go.

Thanks.

Same here! Would love a pair!

Me too, maybe a trio for me.

Awesome dude, keep up the good work!

Ditto



And I have no idea why there is a frowny face on my post.....

helmet pattern kinda looks similiar to my picasso trojans:P wish mine were that white though lol

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Very cool Tim great job!

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Congrats. It is an achievement to be able to breed clowns and you have my respect! :laluot_26:

Bblinks and Tang Daddy: thanks guys!! :biggrin:

Beautiful pair you have! I absolutely love helmets, they look so badass! :razz:

Thank you very much! Kudos to you too! :biggrin:

Gorgeous looking clowns... not just this but id say all your clowns are nice..

Wow, thanks for the kind words! :biggrin:

Most of my clowns in all my tanks are Tim's babies originally. Highly recommend Tim's babies, very healthy and great colours/patterns.

Congrats Tim on the Astros:biggrin:

Anthony

Let me know how much for a pair of the mostly white astro's when there ready to go. 604 772 0423.

Here's some pictures of the proud parents!

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Thanks for looking!

Thanks bud! :biggrin:

Congrats
 

Congrats Papi Tim, I might be interested in a pair also when they are ready to go, please let me know a price :)

I am also interested in a pair when they are ready!!

Mamma and papa are beauties! I need a,pair just like em:)

Wow!! What gorgeous fish!! Makes me want to hunt a little harder for another tank :p lol

Careful renaming. As using two fish from a breeder still results in the name of the fish you started with.

What are you breeding to begin with?

Thanks! They sure are beautiful, my favorite clownfish by far!

Lol dooooo it! You'll love them. How come you can't put them in your current tank? :razz:

Thanks for the heads up! I think it is ok to rename your own offspring though as I've seen many other breeders do it and all the large wholesalers. ORA calls their Picasso offspring "ORA Picasso," and Sustainable Aquatics calls their Picasso offspring "SA Picasso" regardless of where they came from. I believe what you produce is your own so you can name them anything you want.

The parents are Black ice Snowflake Ocellaris clowns. When I saw the babies they produced I just thought "Astro" was a cute name and suited them. :smile:

No. If you breed two SA black ice. They are still SA black ice. If you look at SA website. They even credit Another breeder for a line they have.

True. Yes, they are still SA black ice because that's their lineage. But I still think you can name them anything you want as long as its not patented.

I found a quote from Matthew Carberry, President of SA - "SA hasn’t and has no plans to trademark a fish/coral name. I’m happy about this too–it makes a consistent presentation to the hobbyist/trade that makes it easier to see what you are getting. We call our fish “SA XXX” just to designate where they were bred versus another breeder working on the same morph. Use of different names for the same morph is confusing to the hobbyist.”

Well done! Nice looking fish too!

Paddy is right though, two Black Ice make Black Ice babies. It is "proper" to keep the naming consistent, but you can add your "brand" ahead of the name. You can use "Astro" as your brand name in place of "SA" or "ORA". If these ones are "Astro Black Ice" then future fish might be "Astro Picasso" or "Astro Clarkii". That is the "proper" way to name fish so that lineage isn't lost. If you're just a hobbyist breeder, and not a producer then it really doesn't matter much though since you would just be supplying your local market.

I'm not sure what your intentions are in the future, but I would like to warn you that continually producing large numbers of "designer" fish that normally sell at high prices you will flood your market and will be forced to either sell below value and then devalue the fish in your area which just hurts the captive bred market as a whole. If you can't sell them, they will get too big and will start to kill each other. Please don't ever produce more fish than you can sell at fair market price.

Keep up the good work, and keep in mind the big picture. :)

Thanks Myka! I agree as well that it is proper to keep the naming consistent. I guess I will just call them black ice clowns to not make it confusing. I will keep that in mind also! Thank you! :)

UPDATE

The little babies are doing really well! They have grown so much and have outgrown their little 10 gallon tank. In a few days, I will transfer them to a 20 gallon tank so they will have more room to swim and play. Wish I had a camera right now so I can show you all how much they've grown. Their color has gotten more pronounced too. The black is more black and there is also a blue hue that outlines the white. Really cool. I'll post some pictures up in a few days hopefully when I have a camera. Oh ya there is also one little guy I found that is completely white, looks exactly like a Wyoming white. The only one in the whole batch. I'll try to capture a pic of him. I know Picassos produce platinums so can black ice possibly produce a Wyoming white?

What are you? The name police? Unless he signed a legal document stating that he can't name the variation something different when he breeds then I can't see a problem seeing as no one brood of fish will be the same as the originals.

I like the name astro black ice clowns

You should stick with it

Sweet Astros,

Who cares what they are called.hell I'd give the buyers a small discount if they promise to keep the astro thing going.

How many times does one walk into a Lfs and the names for all sorts of species, not even variants are named something completely different all the time.

You're welcome. I think that is the best idea. If you want to brand them though with your own name, that is also a good idea! :D

That's great! Usually they make Wyoming Whites out of orange Snowflakes, but I see no reason that yours would not also be considered a WW. There has been much debate that Darwin Ocellaris (black and whites) may not actually be Ocellaris and may indeed be there own species. If that is the case, then an all white fish produced by two Black Ice would essentially be a hybrid and called something entirely different! Unless that gets proven though, yours should still be considered WW. Did I confuse that for ya? :lol:

My black ice are laying eggs every 2 weeks now. Poor things I cannot really take care of them. I don't have rotifer and phyto available. I have tons of eggs right now, hundreds and they will probably hatch in a few days. Each time they are eaten away by other fishs, the skimmer and the corals :(

I really wish I could raise them.