Now I am selling my Tank (fresh water setup)
 

Well after I have had almost all my fish die on me I am going to my 25 gallon tank to do a nano. I lost a banggai then 1 week later i lost my coral beauty, about a week after that (last night) my male clark's clownfish died. All I have left is a banggai, my female clark's and a damsel. I dont thinki they will make it. The Banggai has stuff growing at the bottom of his tail, the clarks is looking pretty raggid, and the damsel will probaly be fine but who knows. So I am treating the tank but i dont think they will make it. The Amonia is 0, Nitrate is 0 and nitrite is 0. This is what my test kits are reading. So I am selling my entire 40 gallon tank as a freshwater system. This is what it includes:
-40 gallon tank
-tongue and groove pine cabinet
-H.O.T magnum Canister Filter
-Power head (dont know the rating)
-Aquarium Gravel
-150 Heater
-10 assorted fake aquaroum plants
-Fake Log Decoration
-3 Medium Size Rocks
- Large Container of Flake Food
-Small Container of Freeze Dried White Shrimp
-Aquarium Background (double sided)
-Fish Net
-Bag of Algea Pellets
-2 36 inch flouresent light strips.

Right now it stands at $500 OBO there is about 660 bucks worth of stuff (when new) there. Make me an offer. If you live in the taber are I will Deliver. I can Also Install it if you wish.

I can't take this anymore... :rolleyes:

I'm with ya, Brad...

I agree, it is going from the ridiculous to the sublime. :rolleyes:

I thought it was just me....

The signature...

Whats the problem the signature whats wrong with it

Are you guys as surprised as me? Never expected you to change your mind DooE

Well i kinda have and i kinda havent. You guys are right maybe i should stay big so... Ive decided to stay with the 40 gallon but build a new stand. Have a 25 gallon gravity fed refugium, and a 10 gallon sump. With 55 pounds of Fiji Premium Live rock in the tank. Fluidized bed filter and a Skimmer. 4 inches of Live sand. Ive decided I am going to start all over. Boil the gravel and clean it out. The base rock is going to the school and the corals will be given to a friend until i can get the tank fully operational. What does it sound like guys. For flow 2 250 gph power heads and a 300gph pump to feed the refugium. 300 gph pump to feed the sump also. For live stock Will have 2 ocellaris clowns, 2 Banggai Clowns 2 Yellow head shrimp gobies, green clown goby, Pearly Jawfish, 10 of ever snail J&L has, 2 cleaner shrimps, 1 of every kind of pistol shrimp Saltwaterfish.com has (exept bullseye), No hermit crabs, Tiger sleeper goby, 1 Cucumber. For corals not sure yet but i am leaning towards a hammer and a frogspawn for sure.

That's a lot of stuff for a 40! I think you will have problems with all those pistol shrimp in your tank. I believe they are territorial so you may have problems there. Same thing with gobies. Unless you know how to sex them, you might just end up with a whole lot of dead fish. 8 fish in a 40 is really pushing your luck IMO.

So, you have 2x250GPH powerheads and 2x300GPH return pumps? Did I read that right? Just need some clarification.

I'll buy everything you own...EVERYTHING.

I think I'm going to have an aneurysm.

Doo-E, you couldn't even keep an angel, clownfish and cardinals alive, how the heck are you going to keep pistol shrimps and a jawfish. Do you have any idea what is involved in keeping these animals? You're telling me you're going to mix multiple burrowers, in a 40 gallon tank. What are they putting in that corn down there? You're the one telling people their anemones are bleached, that leopard wrasses are picky, and then there's this genius line: "These are the frags i want to buy,
Frogspawn, Hammer, Ricordea, Any type of mushroom that doesnt eat fish, Sebae anenome, Carpet anenome, Bubble anenome..." Have fun with that. If this were Reefcentral I'd say "troll".

This is getting a little out of hand...... But I find allof this too be entertaining

That sounds more like the DOO-E I know and loathe!

Umm, I don't think anyone is trying to tell you to "stay big", I think it would be wise for you to stay anything! Why don't you try a real simple, stable system and see how well you can keep it instead of planning a different setup every week / day / hour!
I'm not trying to **** anyone off, just think you should read a little story about a boy who cried "wolf", a lot

I just dont know anymore what r u talking about an established sytem what r we talkign here 2 clowns with a good filter? 2 damsels. Algea what?

I think now i have a fairly good idea on what killed my fish. That damb angel. Sure he went through quarentine but i think that the disease he had unleashed in my tank.

:2gunfire: :microwav:

(I don't want to upset anyone, so I am venting my feelings graphically) :rolleyes:

Just forget about selling (or doing) anything for now. Take care of what you have left the best you can. When things have all settled out, or died, then let the tank run "empty" (just rock and whatever's left) for 6-8 weeks. In that time, keep learning, reading (not starting countless meaningless threads), and researching.

Then after 2 months start a new thread, "How to Set Up a New, Stable System."

Then people will listen to you again, and not think you're nuts. No offense intended, but your reputation is taking a beating here.

Quinn, if that aneurism leaves you incapable of caring for your system perhaps a maintenance business will be required...? :lol:
DOO-E, if you plan a trip to Calgary and you want to relieve yourself of your ill fish, let me know. I'd do my best to get them healthy, and if successful, provide them good homes...I'm runnin' some kind of animal drop-off shelter for dissfunctional fish lately it seems... :confused: . How is that Grouper doin' bye the way Deb...? :lol: . Is Emily sharing her food with him yet ? :lol:

I want to be thought of as the one who is nuts... :cool:

:redface:

:redface:

:sad: starting to sound like RC with all the comments.Lets see if he wants to do things right and maybe steer him in the right direction. :neutral:
JMHO.

Yes, this thread is going a bit towards personal attack. Let's try to relax a bit.
Doo-e, please read thru this thread a couple of times and try to take it as constructive criticism. Most of these comments are aimed at helping you help yourself. Try not to change your mind more than once a day, develop a plan, and stick to it.
People will only give you advice here as long as they think you're taking it.

Well here is what i have decided. I put everything in my 25 with a 3" sand bed (clown died) no more fish just snail for algea. I attatched a 24 inch 55 watt pc and a 18 inch Marine glow. Put all the rock in there along with the mushrooms, GSP's and dusters. Placed the canaster filter on there as well. I am going to drain my 40, And clean out the remainding sand. Around 20 pounds. Then I am going to build from there. A side cabinet with a sump that is fed with a 300 GPH pump with then flows back into the tank. For current 2 250GPH powerheads. I am going to load that tank up with 50 LBS of LR (mainly FIJI) then let it run for a week. Start adding back the LS. After a 3 week period place the Rock back in there, and after a couple weeks start placing the corals in there. Then maybe after another 3 weeks i will think about 3 ocellaris clowns. O forgot After the rock is added but before the fish i will get my clean up crew in there. Not sure what do put in for clean up yet any sugestions. Here will be my tank list In Order to the way It will Be added to the tank..
3 Ocellaris Clownfish
2 yellow nose Gobies
2 Peppermint Shrimp
1 Cleaner Shrimp
2 Hawiian Fether Disuters.
Assorted Mushroom
I think this will be it other than addin the odd mushroom. Maybe a couple weeks after the clowns are added i might put a hammer or frogspawn in there. For Filtration it willbe mainly LR and a Skimmer I am getting one from Dez this summer. Lighting will be 150 watt MH with 2 30 watt actinic.

Second thing. I totaly forgot and should have done more thinking but I addd my Coral Beauty with no Quarantine. :frown: Stupid me. I think that once the 40 is up I will run my 25 as a quarintine tank. It is a good size for just about anything and most of the fish i want dont get over 5 inches.

PS TANGOMAN doesnt want the tank. He was joking around.

Hey Doo-E,

I think you need to look up the behaviors of the animals before buying any of them. For example, Clownfish will not generally tolerate being in 3's. Once the two dominate ones pair up, there is a high possibility that they will kill off the 3rd.

Also, you have a lot of burrowing animals for such a small tank. You will most likely see aggression issues. If I were you, I would take you list of fish (all 10), cut that in half (to 5) then cut the remaining list down to 4.

I would also rethink about the Pistol. I have had one and they dig...everywhere...all the time. You will never see it (only hear it) and you will need to support your rockwork somehow. My Pistol has collasped my rockwork several times.

I'd also steer away from having 3 jawfish in that tank. Actually, I'd think very carefully about jawfish because they stress very easily. They need at least 6" of sand for their burror, they need to be able to see 260 degrees around their burrow. Without these conditions, they may do OK for a little while but they're stressed. Also, except for mated pairs, it's probably best not to have more than one anyhow, because they don't really tolerate others of their own kind. Oh, and they're jumpers too, so watch out for that.

Where do you get 3 Jaws from? I am getting one jaw well maybe not. 2 gobies three ocellaris clowns will live together according to Clownfish by Joyce D. Wilkerson. If I do get aggression issue i have a back up tank. Maybe i will just keep the clowns for now. Do oyu think i can keep 3 little ones in a 25 gallon until the end of August or will i have problems. I plan on doing weekly water changes instead of Bi weekly water changes like i was doing with the 40. So do you think this will be okay? Sorry I see where u get 3 jaws from sorry i will fix it it is actually 2 yellownose gobies. Changed the list also

Although I see it's edited out now, in your list you had mentioned 2 jaws and a yellow-headed jawfish or something like that. That's where I had gotten the 3 jawfish from.

Just passing along my experience with those fish ... wasn't trying to pound on you. I like jawfish too, but I doubt I'd try another anytime soon. And if I did, it would be a more dedicated setup just for jawfish. In some ways I miss having a jawfish because they are pretty to look at, but in some ways I don't miss having one because it's just one less thing for me to constantly worry about whether he's stressed or not. In the end, in this hobby there's no shortage of things to be worried about.

Whoops, got a little worked up there. Just hate to see the critters die.

DOO-E, take your time, be patient, listen to the nice people here willing to help you. I'll keep my comments constructive.

Like the signature. Although I have never tried crack I think if it can be comparable to owning a piece of the ocean it must be some good stuff!

Cpt Cruel


"...and then you go in the penalty box for 2 minutes. And you feel shame."

Ill try to measure it with the ocean. Maybe I will do a 25 gallon Jawfish tank with a firefish. Keep 2 jawfish one seperate ends with a little rock. I want two becasue tey steal stuff from each other. As the stuff they steal is always the same peice of rock it is like a gem. Still nobody answered on keeping 1,2,or 3 clowns in that 25 until August bad idea or good idea. I think i will wait and do 3 waterchanges (one each week) then i will add the clowns one at a time. Maybe I will just get one and see how it does, Then i will add one more. Then when i have the 40 going i will think about adding another.

Only add two clowns and add them at the same time. Get them from the same tank at the lfs if you can, that way they are already accustomed to each other and there is less likely to be vying for territory.

Right I will get 2 then in a couple of weeks. Cant wait. Have wanted one since the beginning but can never time it right. They either have none or they are all sick so i bought clarks instead.

You are moving everything from the 40 to your temporary 25 right? This is where you will be keeping the clowns temporarily right? What was the cause of your tank crash in the first place? If I were you, I'd let the rock sit in the 25 without adding any livestock of any sort in case there were/are some nasties (like parasites) still living in/on the rock. I'd just wait until you set up the 40 and cycle that before getting the clowns. That way you won't have to move fish from one place to another with will also be less stressful on them.

I stuck the rock in freshwater and scooped all the little shrimp and my bristol worm out of the container and put them in my tank. I then washed the rock throughly with vinagar and water. So the rock is clean. I am then going to do a series of water changes before i add the clowns. I am going to do a series of water changes equivalant of the tank volume. I just want to get something in the tank to keep the filter seeded. The Cause of the crash was ich from the Angel. Ich is persent in all tanks so its hard to get rid of anyway unless you have sterolizer.

you washed you live rock in fresh water then in vinagar? I guess that one way to get rid of anything that might be harmful.....

Holy cow :eek: I would not have done that, doo-e :eek: Now you are going to have to re-cycle the whole lot of rock. I'd say you're in for at least 6 weeks to get the nitrifying bacteria back where it could sustain even a clean up crew. The shrimp and bristleworm are probably dead from the FW :sad:

Now that you have done this, it cannot be undone, so you must be very patient while your rock re-establishes itself. If I had done what you have done (heaen help me), these are the steps I would follow:

- put rock in tank with heater, powerhead(s), new salt water.
- have your ammonia, nitrite and nitrate test kits, along with a note pad, out where you can use them frequently. Whenever you test for any of these toxins, note date and test results.
- when ammonia and nitrite are both at 0 ppm, I would add a little food to the tank, then test for ammonia and nitrite in a day or two. If you have detectable ammonia or nitrite, you will need to cycle the rock longer. Repeat this step every 3-4 days for as long as there is detectable ammonia or nitrite. When ammonia or nitrite are not detectable, I would deem your rock cycled.
- you can do water changes if you like during re-cycling, but I think it's a bit of a waste of salt. RO water, time and energy. I would do two or three 60% water changes at the end of the above steps before adding fish, snails, or any living thing at all.

Believe me, there is now enough dead stuff on your rock to keep your filter seeded :eek:

Ich has a particular life cycle. If the tank had just been left fallow for 6 weeks, without the freshwater wash and vinegar thing, your tank would have been fine, unless new fish introduced ich to it. Now, though, you have killed most if not everything on your rock and starting from scratch may take longer than 6 weeks :sad:

BTW, I'm not certain that your cleaning regime has definitely killed the ich, though it might have. Ich would still be in your sandbed, so you will still have to leave the tank fallow for 6 weeks anyway, even if your rock re-cycles before then.

Take it easy, man :smile: And PLEASE stop calling bristleworms bristol worms :mrgreen:

Actually he was only half-joking. He wants to buy your stuff so you'll stop causing me heart palpitations.

Who wants to put money on how long the jawfish pair lasts?

Well if the rock is dead then i guess i will go buy some seeded stuff today after school. I am not getting a pair i said i was thinking about one now that i was told that they r harder to keep i am not getting one. Jerk. Beverly I dofnt need to know how to get the rock cycled i know how already thank though :mrgreen: