AEFW Warning for Lower Mainland area!!!
 

*WARNING TO ALL MEMBERS!!*

Heard this guy went to LFS to sell off some Rare frags Strawberry shortcake,Ora Hawkins,Pink Jade etc but was told to leave as it had AEFW and is now selling them on Canreef.

Another warning. Every coral frag you buy from any source can and likely does have some sort of pest on it. If you do not dip your corals, you WILL infect your tank eventually. Take responsibility as a consumer and practice safe fragging. If you contaminate your tank, it's your own fault.

Be careful, pregnancy might happen...

Fresh cut frags are probably the safest bet but even than there is no guaranties. I would advise on a quarantine tank for all in coming corals but not all of us have the space or the cash to invest in another tank that can hold sensitive corals for 4-6 weeks before transferring to the main tank and that's me included. Also try to purchase corals that looks to be in good health, stay away from poor condition corals even if you think you are getting a deal. Moral of the story is BUYER BEWARE!

Too late x 2 lol

can I get this dip @ j & L?
 

What is it called?

CoralRX/RPS all out

Revive at JL

I didn't think any dip currently on the market killed the eggs of this species?

RSP all out "claims" to kill every possible pest including eggs. Don't know how much truth is there in that claim but that dip is freaking strong! It smells like it can kill people.

It nuked a colony of sps I sold to OP. He said in the span of a day(hours?) coral went from my tank and healthy to white. After dip.

There is a thread on rc about the rps all out. Pretty interesting but again dip cut and reglue on frag plugs is probably the best practice besides a quarantine tank.

Agreed.

Ask him again.

Let's get back to topic here. This thread is a heads up on a dirty seller not dipping. And I thought members would appreciate this but guess not...

Another warning! Do not post warning regarding dirty sellers as you will get comments like this:

Take responsibility as a consumer and practice safe fragging. If you contaminate your tank, it's your own fault.

So selling dirty corals is ok on this forum? By your comments here and on other warning on the another thread that makes it seem like you don't find any immoral issues here. Correct me if I'm wrong but that's what you come off ass. Oopps I mean "as".

Yes buyers beware as many pest out there and we should all dip our corals but there's a difference between a seller knowing or not knowing that their corals are infected. Dirty sellers do have responsibility as they would careless if they crash and spread other members tanks for profit. But than again I could be wrong again as I'm new here.

I read a review on reef central that it did not kill AEFW eggs.

I see both sides, Brad speaks the truth even if he is blunt about it. That being said as a community these posts are appreciated, informing the community is THE best form of quarantine out there.

I think mike is just simply trying to give everyone a heads up and warn some of the newer members which may not have as much experience. I am sure no one wants go and buy frags which contain AEFW, and if they did at least have the seller let the buyer know so they can be aware.

Thanks Mike, appreciate the warning :thumb:

No, what I'm saying is that you should consider all frags "dirty". I have contacted the seller you reference and asked that he clarify in his post. If he knows about it and is trying to flog them anyway, especially at a premium price, his account won't work much longer.
Moral issues aside, I find that as a consumer of frags, I NEED to make sure I practice due diligence on my own, and not trust any seller. That's the only way to ensure my tank stays pest free. Which is why I posted. It's important to make that distinction, as trusting someone's morality is going to end with your tank infected. So if the corals are infected, treat them. It's easy. And they are nice pieces. There's no need to go blasting someone publicly, especially if you personally have not been involved.

If there are concerns like that, contact one of the staff, and we'll look into it. I see no problem selling them if it's declared. If he's trying to minimize his own losses by lying, then I'm all over him and he's gone.

Just trust me on this, it's a bigger issue than some guy selling frags. One vendor I know of is probably singlehandedly responsible for all the red bugs in western Canada. No, not naming names. Everyone needs to treat their frags. Period.

I think the term was ass :)

Greatly appreciate the heads - as I'm a newbie
 

Personally I greatly appreciate the heads up on the AEFW - or any other pests diseases that will infest or infect my tank. Also it is nice know that the sellers / fragger or what ever else live your selling will not kill the beautiful life I/ we have already watched grow in the tank. From here on in I'm getting some dip & certainly will be more diligent. Also Courtesy is priceless !

Yes, which is why I left it up. But my point is that for every PSA, there will be 10 guys selling frags that are unknowingly infected. So I'm telling the new members that assume they're all bad. Because most probably are. I have to say, it's rare that I've bought a frag that didn't have something bad on it. 7 out of 10 do.

I totally agree with you Mike. Its different when you are unaware but flat out lie and deceive people into buying YOUR DYING CORAL IS JUST WRONG.

Brad put it well, even if your friends grandma is selling you coral don't trust it.....

Dip everything and try to qt.

i agree with you brad i dip all new frags or corals that go into my tank , i never guarantee anyone my frags are pest free infact i tell people even though i dip and treat for many diff types of pests to redip themselves as a precaution and for good practise that ways both partys did the best they could.

one of the most common questions i get at the store is " should i dip my corals?" or " do i really need to dip my corals?" in which case the answer is absolutely yes , IME dips arnt enough and QT should be done but at the very least a dip, and now a days dips are not hard to find and theres plenty to choose from so no real reason not to dip and its user friendly and not something left for experienced reefers but for anyone to use ..

not dipping is as bad as not quarantining new fish , youll get lucky for a while but eventually if your in the hobby long enough you will be bit.

fact is if you buy corals you prob buy pests , so its on us to protect our own systems. i dont think i would ever take anyones word for it that their corals are pest free nor their tanks the only person i trust is moi and the only person i blame is moi:)

yes selling pests and not telling the buyer about it if you know yourself you have them is def bad and not good selling practise, i hope thats not the case though but i bet it happens more than enough.

Amen to that. Dirty grandmas.

lol thats just wrong :P

personally i think there should be a sticky about dipping and other coral practises in the buy and sell livestock , more so for those who do not know what pests to look out for no?

Since when did dipping prevent AEFW? C'mon guys, we know better than that...

Thanks Mike!

I was trying to be as discrete as possible. :twised:

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Agreed!..Great idea
That's what I've read all this time and I thought I was missing something here as I'm just a newb here. Thanks for confirming Albert! :mrgreen:

If the guy is trying to sell afflicted frags knowingly, then a PSA is warranted. If it was unknowingly, there are more subtle and diplomatic ways of dealing with it. Threads like this are going to get everyone's hackles up and it will turn into the usual bitch-fest. My gut feeling from the sellers thread is that he was probably oblivious to the fact. I'm not part of this shmozzle, so I can't say for certain. You say he got turned down by JL because of it, who knows.

I've picked up red bugs twice from other reefers, one of them a good friend (until I learned to just dip the damn things). Both times I contacted them and politely said "hey, we've both got a problem here". Both times they were unaware, both times we helped each other source interceptor and treat the tanks. No hard feelings and I still keep in touch with them. That problem ended up building bridges and acquaintances.

If I came on here going "so-n-so's a sumuvabitch and selling dirty frags with red bugs", I wouldn't just be burning bridges, it'd be scorched earth. Everyone's gonna get all up in arms and at each others throats. So what did that achieve really?

I have sympathy for the OP because I've been there, it sucks. But at the same time, like Brad said, assume every frag - friend or foe - is carrying something nasty and its your responsibility to take precautions. Ultimately, the health of your tank is in your hands. That's why you're also not getting a ton of sympathy, not the fact that we support people selling "dirty frags".

PS. I'm not saying that dipping is a cure all. Inspect your frags as well! Look for eggs! I have a cheap magnifying glass specifically for this reason.

PPS. Not taking sides nor saying you're wrong. I sympathize and it sucks. Just saying that PSAs aren't necessarily going to get the response or result you're hoping for.

Dips have always removed any I've found. Not the eggs, but there are no eggs on the tissue itself. I always cut the frag off the base, dip, and I'm good.

RSP all out will take care of dirty grandmas as well.

Oh another warning!!
Wear eye protection when using RSP all out! :wink:

should've mention that. all fun and games until you get rps'ed in the eye. lmao

Thanks for the awesome afternoon laugh.

Brad, with the utmost respect, this is delusional, haha. I've had flatworms transferred to my corals despite both dips and snipping corals off plugs -- ON THREE OCCASIONS. The solution? Huck all my acros into the garbage and wait three months. Pain in the ass.

Sorry Albert, but dipping coral, squigley things fall off, check under scope, they're worms. Check frag, no more worms. Sorry you haven't had the same experience. Does it always work? No idea, I only came across them twice. But it does work, IME.

Dipping definately stuns the dirty grandmas and blasting with the powerhead will loosen their grips....

Although the eggs are a different story, they stick like hot glue on a birdy's feather even scraping them doesn't really get them off. That's why it's good practice to lose the plugs they're on. Freshcuts are always preferred.

First of all I did not say it was JL, dunno what you read and it wasnt btw.I trust my sources which are well known and respectable members here and that's why I THOUGHT WAS GOOD IDEA IF MEMBERS KNEW. And this isnt about me so dunno why you are bringing me into this like I'm craving attention or drama, which is rude btw. I think your missing the point here, it's a warning and if it prevented anyone from buying than I did get the result I wanted. And why do I need sympathy???for???? I'm confused here.

Since you dont like pages causing hackling than what do you expect to get out of your comments?I'm confused again...no joke here.:sad:

Oh I don't keep quit btw, I fight hard for what I believe is right.

I think if you check the frag thoroughly, dip hard, cut and then reattach back on a "clean plug", chances are you should be 99% in the clear.

I have Designer and Limited Edition AEFW if anyone is interested, PM me. Apparently none of the LFS' want to buy them off me.. *sadface*