We CAN SAY NO to Smart Meters **SPREAD THE WORD**
 

We all have to step up to our goverment. No to smart meters. My whole neighbour hood has one now but us. We stood up and said no. Hydro has no legal athority to change our meters. Post the doucuments from this site, and hopefully some one is home to help stop this blunder.

http://www.citizensforsafetechnology...vernments,25,0

Thanks.
I just printed out 2 copies, one to put just under the meter and the other to mail to the BC. Hydro.

Is your concern with smart meters really the transmission of wireless signals?

I'll happily step up to our government, but certainly not over smart meters. The sooner one is installed at my home, the better. I'll be able to set up a solar array & wind generator, get a plug & play grid tie inverter that can be installed without a permit, & start sending power back to the grid. Well maybe not enough to sell, but it will slow down the meter on a good day.

What exactly is the objection with Smart Meters anyway? I understand why the grow-opers don't like them. But if it gives me more info on my own usage, and allows me to better manage it, I don't see that as a bad thing.

I also don't see any reason to say no. It's the way of the future!

In all fairness the meters belong to BC Hydro, not us. We contract them to supply us with electricity if we don't like the equipment they use then cancel the contract

The issue of Smart Meters is that they needlessly emit a lot of RF radiation which kills plants and drives away the birds, bats and the bees. Also anyone with an RF reader can tell when someone is home so they know when to rob you blind.

They will drive anyone nuts who has extreme electrical/magnetic sensitivity. If going under high voltage lines bothers you a smart meter will drive you nuts.

There is also other technology that can be used to get the info... ethernet over the neutral line. Similar to X10 control systems.

The company(Corix) that does the smart meter installs are not using licensed electricians. There is already cases of houses burning down due to an improper install of a smart meter.

From the Electric Power Research Institute (EPRI)

http://www.buildinggreen.com/article...2004/Radio.gif

Smart meters are taking us one step closer to a robopocalypse! Didn't anyone watch Terminator?!? The Matrix?!? Come on people, open your eyes!! Resist!!

Hmmm, that sounds pretty bad!! How can that be?? What is it in these Smart Meters that creates so much electrical/magnetic sensitivity? Wouldn't they have to consume a lot of energy, too, to be worse than high voltage power lines? Sounds pretty dangerous to me.

And what does that make cell phones, if I understand that chart in the next post? Good thing some of us have really thick skulls or our brains would be all mush!!

It's almost funny, In Abbotsford we recently got smart water meters and nobody said a peep. Same transmitting devices, and far less control than the hydro meters will provide. How many of you have phoned to report your power out immediately after it going out? these will do that, meaning faster restore times. They also get rid of grow ops stealing the power because you can tell the load per house on every line, if they don't add up, then something's going on.

The problem with the rf is it builds its own network cloud. If you are at the end of the network it transmits a few times an hour for a few seconds. If you happen to be the closest house to the reporting station that undirected antenna is beaming a steady stream of rf into your house as it transmits yours and hundreds of other readings in. Some people will never notice. Sensitive people will go nuts.

The point of the chart is to show these smart meters put less or about the same RF in the environment as many other devices we use every day, and not that cell phones will fry our brains. I believe they run at 8% of allowable limit so there really is no threat. Once again internet roomers and some inaccurate you-tube videos has got a bunch of people in a big fuss over nothing. If people are that concerned about it they should wrap their heads in aluminum foil as I heard that's suppose to help.

Just curious.......... were did they put the water meter? I had to replace the line connecting the city main to my house a couple years ago and I can't think of how they would place the meter without digging up the outside line again or them putting the meter inside my house.

Cheers,
Vic

How exactly does someone with an RF meter know when you're home. The average thief is unlikely to bother with something like an RF reader anyhow. All they need to do is watch your house & see how you come & go. I'd wager 90% of homes these days are unoccupied during a working day, kids are in school, both parents working to make the mortgage. A professional thief has many other ways of scoping out your home. Only had one break-in incident at my house so far & that was a crackhead who tried unsuccessfully to break my car window in the carport late in the evening. Pretty unlikely that a drug addict looking for quick cash is going to use an RF device either. They're just going to smash & grab whatever is close when they're freaking. Could be your car, could be your house. Smart meter isn't going to influence that scenario whatsoever. Fewer grow ops will probably also mean fewer crackheads.

You don't need to be a licensed electrian to install an electrical meter anyhow. Have you ever seen a meter removed from it's socket? It's as easy as replacing a light bulb once the lead seal (tamper indicator wire) is broken & the ring collar is opened.

It's the one in the driveway, I have an access panel there. They did our whole area, I'd read that it was all of Abbotsford, maybe only some area's? it came shortly before the bi-monthly water usage bills instead of the yearly amount on property tax

edit: found the site http://www.abbotsford.ca/engineering...ter_meters.htm

Actually the hat may hurt.......... my nephew was getting poor reception from his router so he searched on the net and made a "Dish" made of tin foil....... and it really help with the reception :)

Cheers,
Vic

I don't have an access panel. I wonder if they bring in water meters into Vancouver how they will address this?

Cheers,
Vic

Probably the same as the hydro ones and HST....

If there is nothing wrong with them, then why are some County's putting a hault on them? Have you looked a the findings of these Smart Meter's. What a crock of S**T. Our goverment got swindled it to these, 3.9 BILLION Of our tax money going to the states and many jobs lost, never mind the health concerns. Thanks TimT for pointing that out. Our meters work fine, why fix something that isn't broke? Grow opps will find away around these anyways. No matter what Hydro says, they know where the powers goes. If we don't stand up, the CROOKS get richer and we the people get screwed.

We all need to reasearch this like i have. I have given you some direction, now make your decisions. I personly like to keep our money and jobs here.

You wonder if they actually believe this stuff, or are they just trolling to have sport with all the "thick skulls" and "sheep" out there, who can't think for themselves, or don't want to.

It's like the pipeline stuff. They've got "some" people believing that is safer to ship oil and gasoline by trucks and trains than a brand new state of the art pipeline. And instead bring more oil across from our great friends in Iran and Saudi Arabia.

what states have halted them?

Sorry, meant County. Edited post. None the less, it starts at the bottom. Read down the page.
http://www.citizensforsafetechnology...vernments,25,0

Are you just talking about the counties in California??

Has anyone seriously looked at one of those spectrum charts from the FCC or Industry Canada lately? God, every last slice of wireless spectrum is full of RF transmitting to all our homes from space and terrestrial transmitters! I'd be more worried about the cell phone tower down the street (which I'm not) or an Al-Jazeera TV satellite than smart meters!

This is from 2003: http://www.ntia.doc.gov/files/ntia/p...3-allochrt.pdf

Because it's much easier to do this than scope out your house for 10 minutes to see if anyone is home or not? And besides, all of us reefers will have no problem if this is true since all our halide's and pumps will surely make the thieves think someone is home!

That's why these people can move out into the boonies, or even: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_...dio_Quiet_Zone

(Ok, a little harsh. But these people have bigger worries right now, like Wi-fi and Cell phones which are MUCH stronger signals).

Ya, but Hydro chose the cheaper wireless method instead. Otherwise all the transformers on the grid would need upgrading to allow the communication to pass through. Much like Shaw/Rogers had to do back in the early 2000's to allow two way communication on their cable network.

Perfect, save some more $$! I would assume they are well trained individuals otherwise Worksafe BC wouldn't be letting them do the work. I'd be more concerned about all the home owners of the province installing their own power outlets or changing out light switches.

This is a perfect example of the internet making an expert out of everyone. I wouldn't go to my dentist for medical advice or a fresh water fish store for information about corals. They may be educated and even be considered experts but they are not experts in this field.

I will put much more weight on recomendations from the World Health Orgrganization than the Citizens for Safe Technology whose director Una St.Clair-Moniz has never published a scientific paper and is part of the " holistic parents hub" who seem to be into naturopathy, homeopathy anti-vaccine and other fallacies.

The only complaint I have with them is the added cost of the electricity.
If I move all use to the night period, except for fridge/freezer etc... I will be paying more than I am now.
However, I don't want to eat only at night or watch TV or listen to the radio while I'm sleeping.
February Rates
7pm until 7am $.062/kWh
11am until 5pm $.092/kWh
7am until 11am and 5pm until 7pm $.108/kWh
Old Rates
$.068 for first 600kWh and $.079 over 600kWh
Interim time of use bill (lower intro rate) for 2094kWh was $161.54 and would have cost $158.85 under the old billing, and with the February 1 full rate for TOU it would be up to $206.76 which ends up being a 30% increase.

That's good info. BC Hydro has been quite adamant that they have no plans for time of day based billing. However, once the meters are in, the door is open & I'm hoping they'll be truer to their word than some of the politicians holding office these days.

Fortunately they're not talking about time of day billing for us here in BC. Now that's not to say after the next election, the next government (or same government) could change their minds.

But I think because BC isn't a very big importer of electricity, then we don't have to worry too much about peak demands as we can handle the provincial load pretty well. Especially with new generation capacity coming online over the next little while (Mica and Revelstoke upgrades, IPP's, northern wind farm, etc). And in the next 5 to 10 years, we can potentially see Site C coming online.

Save yourself some $ and say no....
 

Folks,

Forget about health issues of the RF.... it's all about money.

As you may know, BC Hydro wanted to raise rates 7% /yr over the next few years. However, this may not be necessary as the new meters is a cash cow in itself:

I think BC Hydro is now making a killing just from the exact rates as opposed to an approximate rate from the old meters. I know this as my monthly statements are way up from last years just as the previous post from the other reefer!!

If you just want to save money, forget about health, just say "no" to the new meters when they come knocking on your down... you actually can! My inlaws said no install and they did not put it in (.. they will eventually have to put it in but when, I can't say ). Probably, BC Hyrdo wants to be the good guy and say, no 7% rate hikes.

msjboy

TOU billing is coming.....to everyone, in every province. The only question is when.

Haha, my meter was installed today while I was at work and typing about this. As for Hydro making oodles of money, it's s crown corporation, they can not make a profit, if they do, they have to give it back to the province in one form or another.

I say no to the SM because i am following my own simple rules of life:

1- Say yes to the boss, one eventually moves up and gets paid more.
2- Say yes to the Government, one gradually becomes a sheep then has to pay more.

Want proofs? Ok.

Mr. Cambell always says yes to Mr Harper so PM gave him a big and nice chair in London just a short time after he made a booboo in BC. ( WHY and HOW???)

I rarely say yes to the Gov. so i save more bucks for my tank. Most of all, I don't want to be a sheep.

Eventually ever one will have to get one............ you say no........... they withdraw service.

Unless you go off grid and go solar........ an expensive proposition.

Cheers,
Vic

You are maybe right, but i am not worried much of that. Way of life never ends like that in Canada.

This has already happened back east, its going to get expense to run our tanks during peak periods.

My plan is to reverse photo periods!

It's already happening in Ontario, my tanks doesn't turn on until 7pm :) .. and run till 3:30am or so

Word through the grape vine, City of New WestMinster has said no to smart meters. HHMMMM.

City of New Westminster maintains their own local electric utility, and as such is responsible for maintaining their own meters.

They probably cannot afford the start-up cost to upgrade the meters for such a small installation base.

What happens in New Westminster is not BC Hydro's problem. They deliver xx power to the city, and the city pays them for it. Whether it's being delivered efficiently is the City's concern (because it would be the city losing money, not hydro)