I just can't believe this!
 

San franscisco banning McDonalds Happy Meals!!!

http://calgary.ctv.ca/servlet/an/loc...ub=CalgaryHome

Oh come on now, they think that will really stop the obesity. What is even funnier is all the Canadians that approve this.

Eventually we won't be able to ****/SH@#$@# when we want, won't be able to have a beer... HEHE, we will have to apply for a permit to have sexual relations!!!!

I just shake my head sometimes.

Won't people just buy kids the larger meals then? I see this making obesity worse instead of better. Plus Mc D's doesn't make kids fat, parents that overfeed them with junk do.

I remember when my family first moved to Canada, we'd go to Mc D's and share 3 kids meals between the 6 of us and it was plenty. :lol:

Ya agreed, if Mom's going to drive to McDonalds for her Super sized Big Mac Combo she sure as heck isn't going to walk across the street to buy something healthy for the kids just because the kids menu has been removed.

Sometimes I just need to shake my head and realize/ accept we are a race full of idiots... It's unfortunate that the challenge comes down to putting someone less idiotic in charge :neutral:.

one word.. Idiocracy.

Where do they get these highbrow ideas from? What next, take the prize out of Cracker Jacks? ...... If they even make that anymore, could be dating myself here. Parents are ultimately responsible for their childrens health and fitness, not Mcd's. ..... How many kids have been a four day diet of candy? maybe we should cancel Halloween.

Imo all fast food chains should be banned. Or at least be forced to make healthy options available, not just healthy sounding ones. Sorry people but the food that they serve for the most part is garbage.

That's just silly, if you don't like don't eat it. Might as well ban freedom of speech too, most of what people say could be considered garbage as well :wink:

I agree, the food overall in fast food chains is garbage... But I can tell you this, even if you go to a fine dining restaurant, the food isn't that good for you either. Remember lots of butter, oils, carbs. So eating out overall isn't that great. So do we ban much more than Happy Meals?

Education is what is key!!! Where is the education, being in schools or by parents? It is up to us, as individuals to make our own choices, not governments.

So I disagree with banning, why? If I choose to live off McD's then I should have that right... As a father of 2, we do eat out at times, we do have occasional McD's, but again other than that, we also try to lead a healthy lifestyle. I should always have that choice!!!

Funny, Soviet Union fought long and hard for freedoms, and probably still do. We take what we have for granted, and now let government tell us what to do. Call us the New Soviet Republic!!!

mmmm Double Down....lol....

But really there are alternatives to going to McD's, its called Subway...

Steve

The funny thing about the double down, is that there was just an article last week on cfcn.ca about one egg being higher in cholesteral than one double down. So does that mean we need to ban the egg also?

Subway, YUCK.... Quizno's, YUM YUM. HEHE

I do like quiznos, but Mr. Sub takes the cake just harder to find locations.....

And i cant see the double down being all that bad, its healthy, just chicken cheese, and bacon....oh and a 30 minute run afterwards! Problem solved....

People dont realize you can eat whatever garbage food you want but the appropriate amount of exersize is required so that you dont balloon up afterward!

Steve

Ohh I know where I'm going for supper hellloo Honey Bacon Club :lol:.

Just wondering, in your opinion,
Are we as humans solely responsible for global warming as well?
Are Oil-sands really that bad? 1/10 of 1% of global co2
Are cell phones dangerous to talk on while driving? (no texting that's for idiots)
These are just a few quick questions for d-----y and other like minded individuals, that I wonder about.

IMO #1 No wake up. # 2 Better than liberal tax & buy else where policies. # 3 If you can't talk and drive you should walk.

I can't wait for the MASSIVE, ASTONISHING, GROUNDBREAKING, EARTHSHAKING Media announcement, that life can be bad for your health, and that all of the do-gooders on this rock with their brilliant idea's CANNOT FIX US or the planet. JIMO.

A sampling of the air may be in order....Just a thought.

Haha nice, I don't think I would have made the connection between a kids happy meal and global warming.

Just for fun, I will play your game ;)

#1 Obviously not "solely" but that doesn't mean we don't contribute. I would say we do a "good" job at pitching in, and by good I mean fantastic. I guess we shouldn't look at ourselves and blame the stupid volcanoes, why can't they play nice like us humans?

#2 Really bad compared to what?

#3 Talking on a cell phone is different from talking to someone sitting besides you. When you are talking to someone sitting besides you, the other person is also aware of the surroundings (stops talking to you while you turn left in a busy intersection) and can communicate with you effectively depending on the context. Also, studies show that reaction times while using a cell phone are impaired. I tend to prefer sharing the road with drivers who are not impaired, I dunno maybe it is just me.

Just my "d-----y" opinion.

I do think that the best solution, is through better education. After all, legally banning the happy meal is silly. Anyways, I appreciate the distraction :)

1) When was the last Ice age? When is the next one?
2) Iraq, Kuwait, Texas, Gulf of Mexico. The last one is my favorite. D.Y.K that there are enough pipes under all that "water" (prior to the last oopsy daisy) that you could almost walk the bottom from Merida' to Texas straight north without stepping in mud. That is of course if we could breath like our fishies.
3)I grew up on the Island, figures there would be liberal support in regards to the ban. haha

Oh yeah, Wendy is my second wife cause I know when it's real. B.B.D./ J.B.C.

The issue is giving TOYS with the meals. No one said the kids menu was going away or anything like that.

The point is that the TOY is what the kids want and the parents put better judgement aside for sake of the toy. While this may sound ridiculous to any decent parent, you'd be amazed how well the toy works in getting families to Mc D's for a Happy Meal.

Underneath all of this is an underlying problem that is not unique to Mc Donalds, or even the fast food industry but extends into many other industries as well -Pharmaceuticals come to mind- where profits (often obscene ones) are put ahead of the well being of the client.

Of course it's your RIGHT to feed your child and yourself whatever you want however since there is so little good judgement out there and the health care costs are out of control as a result, it's governments' responsibility to step in and force industry to stop taking advantage of people who can't take care of themselves.

It's amazing how when you get the right context things make more sense. Thank you for this.

Yeah, but is that going to stop the mother/father from buying a burger, fries and pop at McD's. Just cause they ban, because of the toy, wont' decrease the sales, they will just have to buy them as seperate items.

Again, very stupid overall.... And what I am trying to get across to people is what right does government have to start banning things like this? And where will it stop? If we, the people don't voice ourselves and say ENOUGH, eventually what will become of our freedoms?

I am all for personal freedom and individual rights. But where do one's individual rights stop and mine begin? I don't think that a ban is effective but I think that a substantial tax is warranted. We have other sin taxes for things that have far less social and health risks associated with them than obesity. Here in Canada it will be all of our responsibilities to care for children that have developed poor eating habits because they get hooked on high sodium, high fat, high fructose diets before they became old enough to distinguish for themsleves the benefits of a healthy diet. If unhealthy food cost the user Moore rather than the whole of society maybe people would think about what they were choosing rather than an inexpensive default to not preparing something healthy for their children.

I do not to claim to be without sin but my wife and I make sure that McDs is a rare "treat" and our kids don't crave it.

That is what I like to hear, "RARE Treat"

I am a believer of you can have anything, as long as you don't over indulge in it. Just common sense.

Umm, and drugs are illegal why?

Kids shouldn't be fat because their parents choose to feed them rotten ronnies instead of something healthy. Be smart with your kids, end story

Ricky, Ricky.....they're not banning the Happy meal -all they're saying is stop using toys as 'kiddie crack'. The Happy meal isn't going anywhere -but it won't have a toy in it anymore.

Plus, while you argue that won't stop people currently buying Happy Meals, new kids are being born all the time and maybe if there's no toy, they won't be so drawn to START eating Happy Meals (and that's what Micky D is worried about).

Besides, like I said before, this goes way beyond burgers. Booze, smokes, drugs (prescription and recreational), Starbucks.....these are all things that, when consumed to excess, create problems. Problems for the consumer and society as a whole (through costs to the healthcare system). Yet these are all legal (except perhaps the recreational drugs but work with me here !).

And even if it DID step on someone's 'rights' somewhere, would you rather have an obese kid with his 'rights' in tact and in the hospital at age 12 for bariatric surgery (you wanna know how many tax dollars one of THOSE costs ?); or a relatively healthy kid with his nose 'out-of-joint' because there are no toys in a Happy Meal ?

I'm not in favour of losing civil liberties, but we have more liberties than we need and WAY more than we can handle. You want to censure the vote or tell me how many children I can have -we'll be talking ! But toys in some corporate giant's meal boxes !? Pffft..... we all have better things to do.

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Well if the toy is the major hook, try this.....I have a LARGE weekness for collecting....just about anything... You can go into just about any Mcd's and buy just the toy... no happy meal. I did it weekly for a long long time...lol I had a collection that would make kids pass out...lol..Well it was only time before my own kids thought it would be cool to rip open all the bags and line o'le dads Mcd's toys.... oh well... That day the hot wheels collection was hidden very well.. PASS THE WORD, JUST BUY THE TOY.....ya like that will work lol.

I have the perfect solution to the health care cost problem at least in Canada. NO MORE PUBLIC HEALTHCARE. Make it private. If you want to be stupid and obese that will be your own issue.... Pay for your own medicine... If I want to eat junk food everyday then I should be able to do that and not have a government telling me whats good for me. My parents and I came from a communist country and they were kicked out for fighting for freedom of choice (Solidarity in Poland) and it worked. The all knowing government fell and now people can do as they wish. If governments know whats best for us then I guess the Russians should listen to theirs which just recently told them smoke and drink more to help your country (incidentally they had raised the taxes on cigarrettes not too long before the comment)... If I become a burden on the healthcare system because of it CHARGE me or let me die.

Once you start taking choices away from people and they accept it you will try to take more to further your cause until they finally fight back. My parents werent allowed to buy Levis jeans in the 80s in Poland because they were bad for you too. I guess oranges and bananas were bad for you too because the government wouldnt let them be imported. (Except for the extremely wealthy or politically influential commys.)

Just my 02 cent

I don't personally feel the toy is the hook, sure they may play with it, but they still eat the crap food, and why are they eating the crap food, because the parent took them their. Without the toy, they will still go. So who's fault is it? I don't think it is the fast food chains.

Instead of governments banning silly things like a toy or a fast food item, they need to look at why girls are starting to menstrate as early as 7 years old, why are they maturing at that age. It isn't the fast food I am worried about, it is all the chemicals in every food item. They use steriods to get the meat to your table in record time, they use chemicals to get pretty looking vegetables to us. GOVERNMENT NEEDS TO REALLY SPEND THEIR TIME TACKLING THIS AREA OF OUR FOOD CHAIN.

Because of our relationship with the U.S.A. and they are fighting a war with drugs..

For my kids its all about the toy, I have to force them to eat that crap.

I just get one happy meal and buy the second toy (note: second toy is pricey).

Now the double down is great just make sure go get gravy to dip it into... I personally feel the sodium content was extreme really extreme that would be my only issue with it.

actualy the most informative study done on cells and driving showed that experianced drivers had no inpairment at all from using a cell phone when driving, but inexperenced drivers were very destracted while using the cell phone.

but it is more simple for the goverment to just ban hand held electronics across the board than try to come up with a way to enfoce a ban based on experiance which I agree would be very hard to enforce. but every day when I drive I see just as many people on there cells as I did befor the ban, so this is going tobe another than that lack of enforcment is going to mitagate the intentions.

Steve

I still don't understand the logic. you order a grilled cheese happy meal with sliced apples instead of fries and get a apple juice and a toy.. whats wrong with that?

Steve

cuz they screw you up.

Steve

If that's true why isn't alcohol, cigarettes, prescription drugs and not educating your children illegal?

I'm feeling guilty, after claiming to be a cautious parent I just stopped by McDs on the way to my daughter's soccer practice. There was a billboard showing the breakfast burrito and I asked my daughter "Doesn't that look good?" she responded "yeahhhhh!". There wasn't even a toy involved just a promise of a high sodium high fat little vacation. She is burning it off at practice and I instead of going for a run am sitting here in the car on my laptop feeling completely satiated. It's not my fault I insist the seeds were planted 35 years ago when happy meals came in a cardboard box and the toys were actually pretty good rather than the latest movies marketing strategy.

I'll get over it.

ok so percription drugs are a perscribed item that is regulated, and if you want to die from common infections or such don't take them. if they are a drug that impares you, you are actualy told not to drive or operate ect.. bla bla bla.. that one was a pretty silly one to put in your list.

cigaretts. different debate altogeather, lets just say there realy wasn';t much research befor the 70's as to the effect and they were highly sociably acceptable. now that there is more research on them and there effects they are making getting them more difficult. also there is a catch 22 here. cigerette companies give tarifs to the canadian medical system and alot of the goverment tax on smokes goes directly into health care. such alarge amount comes from cigerette sales that if they banned them tomorrow the health care system would be severly rocked. so they are doing a slower controled phase out to reduce the amount of people who start smoking through education. so far it is working great.. in the 70's there were survays that showed in excess of 70% of all canadians over ther age of 16 smoked, I think that number is down to the 40's now.

just think in Japan you can have a smoke while you eat your big mac :mrgreen:

Alcohol is another tricky one. used responcible it is actualy no problem and infact a helth benifit, this is another one that has been around from the dark ages and is sociably acceptable so to just take it away would be suicide for any goverment. there is nothing wrong with consuming alcohol persay but rather the abuse of it.

in any rates there is no way you can compare drugs to any of these, the primary purpose of manufactured illicid drugs is to get you screwed up and to get you back for more. no benifit at all here for the person taking them. as for canibus and suchg.. there is no helth benifit from smoking it and its self is non adivctive, but people get addicted to the high (mental adiction instead of physical) but it comes down to why leagalize a mind altering substance which has no real benifit.

Steve

I would love to discuss every point you just made but I have 2 mid terms on Wed. and don't feel like wasting my time trying to correct your highly thought out statements.

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Nothing.

Since it would likely meet the guidelines, the toy is allowed.

You can say that again !

@ Diver-Dude: Giving up Civil Liberties is a slippery slope, todays happy meal might very well be tomorrows "appropriate literature" and next weeks freedom of expression. Governments prove time and again that they do NOT know what's best for us.

@ Global Designs: Not too long ago I read an article (can't remember where) that suggested that the reason 7 year old girls are hitting puberty is higher body fat percentage. The study focused on children whose diet was similar but activity levels were different. They found that early puberty was hit most often by the less active children. There was also a CBC documentary which set out to justify or dispel the higher cost and health benefits of organic food. Short version is lab tests found no difference in the chemical levels of supermarket meat and "organic" meat. Consumers also couldn't taste a difference if they weren't told which was the organic and which was implanted beef.

As a note on the smoking debate, what the anti-smoking lobby doesn't want people to know is that smokers cost the health care system less. Non-smokers live longer and the costs to keep them alive into their nineties is astronomical compared to a smoker who dies at 70. Plus, the gov makes a nice tax revenue off of smokers. I am completely in favour of non-smoking legislation in buildings, pubs, restauraunts etc. But if someone wants to puff away and kick off early... that's their business.