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Borderjumper 10-08-2010 12:51 AM

Vertex Illumina LED
 
So Spenser is tempting me with one of these new led fixtures.. It's pretty wicked in what it can do.. But can it grow corals? Does anyone have this light that can give me some feedback?

Youngster Dan 10-08-2010 12:56 AM

Do it Shelley! All the feedback I can give you is that it looks so cool :D

Borderjumper 10-08-2010 12:58 AM

Lol but it's gotta grow stuff as well as look wicked.. And I would probably have to give Spenser partial custody.. He's growing very attached to it :mrgreen:

Youngster Dan 10-08-2010 01:02 AM

Well, I think you should try it out! If you don't like it you could always give it to me....

Skimmerking 10-08-2010 01:55 AM

ya let me know too want to see if the Acans will grow

PoonTang 10-08-2010 02:25 AM

From what I remember reading some time ago about LED lighting is that they will keep corals alive but at a reduced rate of growth. Apparently they lack the UVA/UVB radiation output that the corals get from the sun and halide lighting and it is a factor in growth rates.

BlueTang<3 10-08-2010 02:37 AM

Well i get mine tomorrow i will let you know how it goes. Thedogfather has a very good post here and on reef central about it. He claims his corals are doing much better than his ati powermodule. Heres hoping :mrgreen:

Skimmerking 10-08-2010 03:14 AM

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Originally Posted by PoonTang (Post 554457)
From what I remember reading some time ago about LED lighting is that they will keep corals alive but at a reduced rate of growth. Apparently they lack the UVA/UVB radiation output that the corals get from the sun and halide lighting and it is a factor in growth rates.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm I don't Like that answer.....

Borderjumper 10-08-2010 03:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skimmer King (Post 554470)
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm I don't Like that answer.....

Neither do I :sad:

Youngster Dan 10-08-2010 04:49 AM

Why do you want to change? Just for fun?

Borderjumper 10-08-2010 04:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Youngster Dan (Post 554505)
Why do you want to change? Just for fun?

pure animal magnetism my friend.. That light is wicked sexy:mrgreen:

Ron99 10-08-2010 05:47 AM

Lack of UV is not really an issue for coral growth but may play a role of some sort in colouration. The jury is still out on that but I can tell you my corals are growing well and looking good under LEDs. I have other concerns about this fixture but that has all been discussed ad nauseum in other threads so I won't go into it here again.

What are your tank dimensions?

Borderjumper 10-08-2010 06:11 AM

One tank is 48x24x 21deep with 2 400W lighting and one is 48x24x16 deep with 1 250w lighting

abcha0s 10-08-2010 06:16 AM

This wouldn't be my first pick for a LED fixture. Seems like it is all marketing hype and LFS talk. Personally, I'm not that impressed.

I really like the Pacific Sun fixtures.

don.ald 10-08-2010 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Borderjumper (Post 554536)
One tank is 48x24x 21deep with 2 400W lighting and one is 48x24x16 deep with 1 250w lighting

so this light will be on another (new) tank. right?

Ron99 10-08-2010 04:34 PM

You may want to wait for more reviews regarding even PAR coverage front to back with wider tanks. Might be an issue with a 2 foot wide tank like yours. I guess it might also depend on your aquascape and location of corals/clams etc.

Pacific Sun units are pricey. Most have no optics and the version with optics is even more expensive.

Skimmerking 10-08-2010 10:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Borderjumper (Post 554536)
One tank is 48x24x 21deep with 2 400W lighting and one is 48x24x16 deep with 1 250w lighting

Mine is 2x400's 20K Xm's across a 60x24x24

Quote:

Originally Posted by Borderjumper (Post 554507)
pure animal magnetism my friend.. That light is wicked sexy:mrgreen:

Amen sister , I love the look of it too. and what it can do, see me and Shell are Acans freaks lol

Gooly001 10-08-2010 11:04 PM

Convergence
 
I love the Convergence Technology that Vertex is paving the way for. Making all their aquarium apparatus's compatible and controllable.

Check this out:

http://reefbuilders.com/2010/10/08/v...rolled-iphone/

Cheers,

Paul

abcha0s 10-09-2010 02:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ron99 (Post 554587)
Pacific Sun units are pricey. Most have no optics and the version with optics is even more expensive.

Somewhat pricey, but not worth discarding simply based on price.

Vertex Illumina SR1200 LED Lighting Fixture (48 Inch) - $28999.95CAD

Pacific Sun “Phobos” – 2×160W CREE LED & 2×54W T5 - $3199.99USD

Thats about 10% plus US exchange rate.

Considering (in my opinion), it is a much better light, the cost difference is negligable.

Skimmerking 06-28-2011 11:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Borderjumper (Post 554507)
pure animal magnetism my friend.. That light is wicked sexy:mrgreen:

Im with Shelley

phi delt reefer 06-29-2011 01:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by abcha0s@conceptaquatics (Post 554539)
This wouldn't be my first pick for a LED fixture. Seems like it is all marketing hype and LFS talk. Personally, I'm not that impressed.

I really like the Pacific Sun fixtures.


but on the other thread you said...

Quote:

Originally Posted by abcha0s@conceptaquatics (Post 620679)
I admit to being skeptical when I invested in LED, but let the great debate be over. LEDs are completely and totally ready for full blown SPS systems. My corals have grown more in the past 60 days under LED then they did in 6 months under 250W MHs. The colours are great, the polyp extension is great, the overall health of the system is great.

Now, I confess that I am also supplementing Calcium, Alkalinity and Magnesium in a much more controlled fashion that I previously was. This is undoubtedly why I am seeing the increased growth, but it still proves that LEDs can and do grow-out beautiful coral.

I completely love the sunrise, sunset and moon effects. It really adds value to my viewing time. The fish are well aware of the light cycle and will act differently depending on the time of day. The dusk cycle inevitably triggers the mating instincts in a number of my fish. The energy in the tank at dusk is incredible.

For what it’s worth, I have zero regrets. None what-so-ever. These lights were one of the best purchases that I have made for my tank.

I have the 6’ Vertex Illumina 260 on a 300G tank (6’ x 3’ - 27" deep) open top.

would you have taken the Pacific Sun fixtures over the Illumina?

abcha0s 06-29-2011 02:34 AM

The important thing here is time lines. I made my original assessment back in October of 2010 and I stand by it. At the time, the Vertex light used Phillips Luxeon Rebels and Pacific Sun was using Cree XPE and XPG. The Pacific Sun lights also had T5 supplemental lighting.

Here is a comparison chart for the Vertex lights:

http://reefbuilders.com/files/2010/1...le-options.jpg
Source: http://www.masns.ca/forum/showthread...4865&pid=45054

I've done a lot of research into LED fixtures. I've discussed the technology with more than one manufacturer directly. There is no golden rule for what works, but in my opinion, the combination of 3W Cree XPE and XPG LEDs is the minimum requirements for keeping SPS. The original Vertex Illumina 200-P just wasn't what I was looking for.

I don't think I've ever said anything negative about Pacific Sun. In fact, I still think they are a fantastic lighting solution.

The Vertex 260 Illumina was the game changer and became the standard to which other manufacturers are measured. Pacific Sun holds it's own and for many people it is the right solution.

Honestly, I am happy to recommend either solution.

- Brad

(Why did we bump such an old thread?)

Quote:

Originally Posted by phi delt reefer (Post 620716)
would you have taken the Pacific Sun fixtures over the Illumina?

At this point no. I love my Vertex light and I wouldn't trade it for anything.

Bblinks 06-29-2011 07:34 PM

Vertex has a built quailty that Pacific sun just can't compete. trust me on this. I really like the t5 and led concept, but without supporting it with good built quality, it really doesn't matter how great the concept is. Vertex is supposed to come out with new cree led chip for the vertex illumina series which incorporate red and green leds to enhance the color spectrum. I am waiting to see what they come up with before I make my final decision.

StirCrazy 06-30-2011 03:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by abcha0s@conceptaquatics (Post 620725)
There is no golden rule for what works, but in my opinion, the combination of 3W Cree XPE and XPG LEDs is the minimum requirements for keeping SPS.



- Brad

Don't tell that to all the people that are using XPE?XPE, Luxton rebels, ect to keep SPS :mrgreen: probably more of thoes systems that there are for the XPE/XPG combo.

Steve


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