this guy beats Al Gore hands down !
 

David W. makes a lot of sense.
No SUV's on Mars or Pluto !
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Why there is climate change on all our planets not only on Earth?

Event Horizon: Science of a Golden Age, by David Wilcock — Part 3

http://www.blinkx.com/watch-video/20...n0zBUAxtsynqVA

I couldn't disagree more....especially after looking into David the reincarnate Wilcock. This dude is more then a little out there... http://divinecosmos.com/index.php/about-david-wilcock



I prefer to take climate change advice from climatologists and scientists who study the earth and our eco-system.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scienti...climate_change

If we reduce CO2 and pollution based on the major scientific consensus of man made climate change, and it turns out the are wrong......then we get a cleaner earth and a renewable energy based economy.

If we ignore the major scientific consensus of man made climate change and they are right..... we end up with a FUBAR earth and our children will be paying for it.

The consequence of doing nothing seems much greater then the consequence of doing something. Besides oil is a finite resource....we will have to go with-out it some day..

+1

Whether you believe that climate change happens on it's own, faster with our help, or exclusively because of us... it's really hard to deny that we are destroying this planets capacity to support our lifestyle faster than it can heal itself.

And the major supporters of the anti-climate change argument was George W. (superbrain he wasn't), and his oil(y) friends.

No conflict of interest there, eh.

Climate change, whether you believe in it or not, is a good reason to try to clean up our act. Since the Industrial Revolution, its been almost like a race to see who can FU the Earth faster.

At least public concern and pressure has forced automakers to design & sell more fuel-efficient vehicles that are less polluting, something they would have dragged their heals on for longer if not for $$ being lost if they don't improve.

I, for one, don't remember Vancouver ever getting so hot in the summer as it has in the last 10 years. It used to be that 27C was a HOT day in the summer. Now we hit the mid-30s on a regular basis in the summer & that just doesn't seem right.

Anthony

:rolleyes: Brilliant

I skimmed.

So basically the guy likes old school metallica and ufos, then decided to lose weight to look like a dead psychic. He also has some basic home reno skills and regrettably has a few chicken wings every now and then?

That's why I called him Brilliant :lol:, this guy is going to rewrite history with his mind and steal Al Gore's Peace Prize.

Are you being serious or sarcastic because I dont get it? What part is brillant?

"In November of 1996, at age 23, David broke through to direct verbal contact with his own Higher Self, thanks to the tuning provided by the Law of One study and the ongoing daily dreamwork. "

He seems to be good at dreaming and talking to him self.....more brillance.

90-95% of my post's on this site are Sarcastic... I should know better by now as these smilies can only portray so much of my facial emotions :lol:.

I'm pretty much calling him a wing bat.

Truthfully the only thing i found really cool about this is that other planets
are experiancing global warming as well.
even if it is part our fault that ours is working at a much higher rate it still shows its not all our fault right?:question:

I think it's all the metal halide users and I'm in that boat as well. Maybe if we all switch to LED together AND establish ideal husbandry with our inner higher selves all will be well with the planet?

:tinfoil3:

Can we make this into a Smilie?

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3185/...910e1991b0.jpg

:lol: I knew that one was someplace. The smilie one was all I could find in a hurry.

And when the Sun becomes a red giant then all the nay sayers are going to believe in global warming. (Doubt it) :wink:

"Truthfully the only thing i found really cool about this is that other planets
are experiancing global warming as well."
even if it is part our fault that ours is working at a much higher rate it still shows its not all our fault right?"

Some planets are cooling example Mars, Venus on the other hand, became super heated because of cloud cover.

It has to do with how fast the temperatures are changing over a given period of time.

this is a funny post as I was actualy listining to a news program ont he radio the other day with a couple of Canada's formost experts on climat change. what was interesting is that the only experts crying that we are causing climat change is the ones that are sponcered by goverments and it was aluded to that they were doing it to get more funding grants.

the main guy on the show (can't remember his name) makes his mark by verifying or disproving results, and is highly regarded and his organization has started to rate creditability of different climat scientests. he has found a lot of the people touting climat change and when have to act now are fudging data to suport there claims and when he started to review the ones that say it is a natural cycle he found there research was solid (this is on average on both sides) so he has started looking harder into it and has found there is more evidence to disprove man made climat change than he ever expected. as a result of his research there have been some changes in attitude by the G30 and other world organizations.

Steve

Yes and many of the scientist and think-tanks trying to disprove climate change are funded indirectly by oil companies. And although I dont like to say it, when it comes to issues of societal safety I would trust the government over a corporation.

Climate change is still a hypothesis. You will find people to argue both sides.

Personally I feel the argument that man is causing or contributing to global warming is too big to ignore. Even if they are wrong.....it's called risk management.

actualy this guy is funded by a university in ontario, and his comitment is to stay impartial and he won't take any extra funding from either side, he was quite adament on that. I simpily cannot believe that when we have some of the formost climate research being done by a canadian which is changing the way we think on some things that people cannot accept it. or for that matter even concider it.

here are a few things to thing about.. I was watching the tv, a show on huge vocano eruptions and there effect through out history. (yes I watch a lot of nature/history/ect programming.)

anyways Anak Krakatau erupted in 1883, it erupted more than 18 cubic km of ash to a height of 80 km, and produced a tsunami as high as 30 m. the side effect of this was to raise CO2 in the atmosphere to about 5X the present levels which they found through sampling ice in the artic from that time period. so the question remains if we are producing CO2 and it is destroying out climat, where did all that CO2 go from the eruption?

Now befor people get up in arms, yes I believe in climat change, after all 0.7 degrees celcius rize over the last 20 years is something. but I also believe that it is part of a natural cycle. are we helping.. not nessaraly, I don't believe we are causing it but we may be helping it if you know what I mean. I am for reduction and such as long as it doesnt finatualy hurt me.

now another thing to concider.. remember the big hole in the ozone. a lot of good things came out of that scare. different trypes of refrigeration, acelerated technology to make and be able to use thoes new products. but when all was said and done it was a natural cycle and when it should have been increasing at its highest rate it was closing.

there is to much people don't know about how the world works, with thousand of volcanoes that make Krakatau look like a party favor in terms of effect on our planet and the subsequent fact that we are still here must hold some weight.

Steve

There is so much people don't know....exactly. So how can you believe that global warming is not man made? The thing here is that scientists are spending their whole lives studying these issues such as global warming and they do not have a clear answer for us......so how can I have a clear answer as to whether it is man made or not. It's like asking if God exits. A whole lot of people change there lives because they have FAITH that God exits. So here we are with scientists in both camps telling us different things.....were does that leave us. As far as I'm concerned (and anyone else should be), there is a probable chance that climate change is man made. Any chance that we are going to commit catastrophic events in the future should be avoided don't you think? Or should we just roll the dice and jump in our gas guzzlin SUV?

Besides I think we should be treating our planet better all around....even if climate change wasnt an issue.

Is the GULF still spewing out oil?

Steve: You can argue climate change until the cows come home. Neither side has produced concrete evidence that we are either causing it completely or not influencing it at all. I rather suspect that it is somewhere in the middle.

The trouble I have with those denying human influenced/created climate change is that they tend to use their doubt as an excuse to maintaining the status quo.

Lets take our reliance on fossil fuels as an example, I know people who let their cars idle for hours at a time in the winter, drive a block to check the mail, etc. When I rib them about it they just say things like "global warming hasn't been proven and as an Albertan it's my right to idle my car all day if I like so to hell with the hippies"

But... whether you believe in global warming or not, peak oil or not, there are a million other benefits to reducing our reliance on fossil fuels. Anybody who has seen the summer "smog" engulfing a North American city will see the benefit to reducing the number of cars on the road. Is that smog contributing to Global warming? Probably, but even if it isn't wouldn't it be nice to get rid of it?

Less cars on the road would also go a long way to solving the "obesity crisis" that all the healthcare providers are so worried about. Think of how much weight the fatties would lose if they walked two blocks to McDonalds instead of driving there everyday.

There are so many other benefits to investing now in alternative energy and the risks of not doing so are so high that it floors me that we aren't doing more. Unfortunately, I think North Americans are too lazy and too spoiled to change. I think we need to see gasoline get to a price point high enough that people re-think their lifestyle. Same with heating fuel and fossil fuel powered electricity, until then we're stuck just watching it happen.

Very well written Slick, as a race we need to address our foot print but because we have all been raised on a certain standard no one wants to step up and change. Even if global warming is "fake" as a society we have caused far to much damage to the earth at this point to ignore it.

If we lived in a world that valued honor and intelligence over money this would not be a problem, I hate bashing Capitalism but the over pursuit of fiscal wealth is a plague on this planet. A great example of this is the BP oil spill, as a race we have invested copious levels of money and infrastructure into the collection of petroleum products but very little into safe guards to protect from disasters. Why? Because there is no profit in cleaning up a spill, the only time it becomes profitable is when people start loosing money (such as Florida tourism). At this point people finally realize that maybe we should have safe guards in place but by then it's to late and our ecosystems are damaged beyond repair.

The current technology employed to skim oil from water will not work in applications that include areas with ice. This could spell very bad news for northern drilling and ecosystems but VERY little advancement in the technology is happening because there is only money to be made when a real problem occurs. Even if global warming isn't real we still need to loosen the grip that fossil fuels have on us, as Slick stated the benefits outweigh the downfalls greatly.
Levi

A little hesitant to weigh on this but I have to share one thought.

Climate change researchers, as scientists, don't necessarily believe that climate change is fact. Rather, they believe climate change as the most plausible explanation for the data gathered over the last 40 years or so. If you truly examine the data that's out there, it's really hard if not outright impossible to refute that climate data is trending in an accelerated rate.

What's troubling with climate change is that there are factors like positive feedback which potentially make it worse. A system that tends towards stability is one that benefits from negative feedback, that is, the more one variable increases, the more other factors push back on it. Positive feedback on the other hand is when one variable increases that other factors help to increase it further. Think of a die off in an aquarium, a little bit of ammonia can cause stressing in the livestock which can cause a secondary die-off and thus an increase in ammonia which then further distresses the remaining livestock and so on.

I think arguing against things like reducing carbon footprints is essentially folly. Whether we choose to believe that we are influencing climate change or not, increasing our dependence on non renewable energy sources is simply not sustainable indefinitely.

Discussions on a fish forum about the state of our ecosystems has "Folly" written all over it :neutral: but the only way to change these decorative arguments is educate everyone on the facts.

Regardless of global warming, the change from non-renewable to renewable energy has to happen sometime. Will be see a change in the earths temperature via it, who knows time will tell but it does need to occur.

WoW !
i had no idea that my post generated 3 pages of interest!

As many people say it does not matter if climate change is caused by man or not we should get of the oil.
And yeah, oil is NOT fossil fuel thats for sure! it is abiotic and being formed naturally, so there is no peak, LOL we will burn our oxigen before we can burn all the oil.

That's a new take on it. got supporting documentation?

Simply because carbon based fuels exist on other planets where was never any plants or dinosaurs since solar system was formed.
One example is http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/01...tan_flammable/
Methane is carbon based fuel how did it formed without trees and dead animals.?

Also because on this planet oil is found at 22 000 feet and deeper as well as below ocean floor at such strata depths that never had any animal or plant matter.
LOL When we bury a cat or a grandma do we get oil ?

http://www.rense.com/general67/oils.htm
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http://educate-yourself.org/cn/oilno...l29sep05.shtml

Also to throuw something else interesting your way check this guy out he sayis that there is evidance found of humanse on this planet as far back as 2.8 billion years back !!!
http://www.forbiddenhistory.info/?q=node/83

Metallic spheres, approximately 1 inch in diameter and some with three parallel grooves around the equator, have been found in South America. There have been two types found- one composed of a solid bluish metal with flecks of white, and the other hollowed out and filled with a spongy white substance. The spheres were found in a Precambrian mineral deposit- dated to be 2.8 billion years old.
http://www.forbiddenhistory.info/?q=node/93
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http://www.forbiddenhistory.info/?q=node/2

Speaking from a geological perspective, all of the oil reserves discovered so far have been formed from the decay of predominatly algae, bryozoans, and plankton in either a fresh water or marine environment.

The reason why such reservers are now situated at depths exceeding 22 000 feet is that all of the overlying rock is overburden. At one point in time, these organisms lived at the surface of the earth's crust in shallow lakes, inland seas, as well as the ocean. After they died and sank to the lake or sea bottom, these organisms were buried with sediments that over millions of years, accumulated to the true vertical thickness of rock we see overlying any given reserve of oil.

At one point in time, it was thought that oil could also have been generated from an igneous rock source through degration of certain minerals under extreme heat and pressure. This however, has never been proven as I've read several papers on the subject, all of which clearly state that oil has in all instances thus far, been generated from an organic source.

How about planets that never had organic life and yet have carbon based fuel ?

I've read a few articles on the abiotic theory as well, they haven't come close to substantiating that claim. I can't address what happens on other planets, but every gallon of oil produced here on earth so far is KNOWN to have come from the decay of organic matter as Stones pointed out.

Besides, if Oil was "grown" as the abiotic theorists suggest why are we bothering drilling in all these remote and nasty places? Why not just sit back and wait for all the old holes to refill themselves?

Simply put, even if we buy into the "oil is grown" nonsense than we are still consuming it exponentially faster than it is being produced so it becomes a moot point. Sooner or later we will run out of cheap, readily available oil.