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Lance 06-26-2010 01:57 AM

Tank crash caused by Wal Mart fan!
 
Today was warm so I turned the fan on the sump for the 90g corner tank. Later I walked by the tank and immediately knew something was wrong. Fish were acting very strange, and the tank was murky. Looking closer I saw that all the softies and LPS were closed up, and the SPS sliming badly. I couldn't see anything obvious in the tank so I looked in the sump and found the fan had become disengaged from its base and fallen into the water. I pulled the plug out of the receptacle and removed the fan, then quickly changed out the carbon in the reactor and changed 15 gallons of water. The sump is running on a GFCI outlet, but the fan was plugged into a wall receptacle because I just use it once in awhile in the summer. (Damn that Murphy and his stupid law!)
Fish seem okay but all inverts are affected: 2 cleaner shrimp are MIA; snails look to be dying as do the Feather Dusters; clam is closed; all zoas, palys and mushrooms are closed up; all LPS are closed and SPS are sliming like crazy, which may be a good thing: if they're still sliming they're still alive.
Will wait awhile and do another water change. (Keeping fingers crossed here that it isn't as bad as it looks at the moment).

marie 06-26-2010 02:23 AM

That happened to me once, Lance.....with a walmart fan no less. My tank came through it fine though

Lance 06-26-2010 02:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by marie (Post 530379)
That happened to me once, Lance.....with a walmart fan no less. My tank came through it fine though

Well that's good to know. :biggrin: The large torch coral and the Duncan are starting to peek out, as are the Aiptasia (Of course! Can't kill them SOB's) The SPS are still sliming though.

fishytime 06-26-2010 03:18 AM

omg Lance!.....I really hope everything pulls through ok for you man.....

Milad 06-26-2010 03:22 AM

GFCI everything!

PoonTang 06-26-2010 03:47 AM

Tank crash caused by Wal Mart fan!
 
OMG Lance that's terrible. Hope everything turns out ok. Let me know if you need anything, although I know you have some great help nearby. Luckily you didn't stick your hand in the tank before you noticed everything.


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lastlight 06-26-2010 03:51 AM

I hate coming on here and reading a thread title like that. Best of luck I
sure you'll escape disaster.

Skimmerking 06-26-2010 03:53 AM

Dude so sorry to hear about that man. I hope your tank pulls through

Delphinus 06-26-2010 03:55 AM

Good luck Lance!! Carbon and water changes...

Lance 06-26-2010 04:40 AM

Just changed another 15 gals of water, changed out the carbon again and things are looking a lot better. The torch, hammer, Duncan, brain, blastos, candy cane and mushrooms are starting to make an appearance now. The fox coral and all zoas still look in bad shape. The large Yellow Fiji Leather is tightly curled up and looking pretty sad. Too early to tell yet with any of the SPS, though they seem to be sliming less now, whether that's good or bad I don't know. The clam and feather dusters are still closed and still no sign of the shrimps. None of the snails have come out of their shells yet but the large striped spaghetti worm is back out and foraging. I fed a few pellets to the fish to see if they would eat and they scarfed them back so they are definitely ok. Unless I lose all the SPS colonies I'm considering myself pretty lucky.
I'll do another water change before work in the morning and then change the carbon again when I come home. I took pics and will upload them tomorrow.

fishoholic 06-26-2010 04:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Delphinus (Post 530397)
Good luck Lance!! Carbon and water changes...

I 2nd that. Hope everything pulls though ok.

PoonTang 06-26-2010 04:58 AM

I would give the return lines a good cleaning too. You know, just to be on the safe side. ;)

VFX 06-26-2010 05:03 AM

Sorry to hear :cry:

Hope things get better soon.

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christyf5 06-26-2010 05:18 AM

Yikes that is scary! I hope everything pulls through :neutral:

frd72 06-26-2010 06:06 AM

just wondering, is this cause by electric current? short circuit on the water?
causing all of your fish to be sick? even if you don't have it GFCI, your circuit breaker should go off. Just my thought. maybe you should consider checking it??
It happen to me once but not a fan, a battery operated led touch lamp, i think with four AA battery all fell on the sump overnight and leave no problem with the main tank, the skimmer did all the clean up. I empty the skimmer cup and saw all the juice from the battery..

thanks,
teddy

bvlester 06-26-2010 05:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PoonTang (Post 530411)
I would give the return lines a good cleaning too. You know, just to be on the safe side. ;)

have your wife hold them:wink:

Lance 06-26-2010 05:17 PM

Lights aren't on yet so I don't know how everything is doing this morning. Small water change before work. Skimmer cup filled overnight so there's still a lot of crap in the water. Will do another water change after work and change out the carbon again.

Pics:


This is the culprit that caused all the grief. Fan fell right out of the base into the sump. Breaker did trip but the tank obviously got a good jolt.
http://i371.photobucket.com/albums/o...e/IMG_2043.jpg

Fox Coral
http://i371.photobucket.com/albums/o...e/IMG_2044.jpg

Should look like this:
http://i371.photobucket.com/albums/o...9/IMG_4455.jpg

Hammer coral
http://i371.photobucket.com/albums/o...e/IMG_2041.jpg

clam
http://i371.photobucket.com/albums/o...e/IMG_2040.jpg

Duncan
http://i371.photobucket.com/albums/o...e/IMG_2039.jpg

Torch coral
http://i371.photobucket.com/albums/o...e/IMG_2038.jpg

Seafan 06-26-2010 05:26 PM

Wow, that is so scary and sad. Hopefully your corals and fish return to normal in no time for you. I also use a fan just like that over my display, really has me thinking of what I can use now, sure don't want to go through what you've been through. Good Luck!

DCDN 06-26-2010 05:54 PM

I had the same with my fuge light, fortunately everything was ok

Leah 06-26-2010 06:56 PM

Lance,

Hopefully things will be okay. And they say reefing is peaceful and relaxing, huh! Never been so stressed as when I started reefing. :twised:

Lance 06-26-2010 07:58 PM

Well it looks like I've lost my two largest SPS colonies. :(
The blue-tipped Stag has expelled all its zooxanthellae and is completely bleached. The orange Monti-Cap still has some colour left but not much.
Two other smaller colonies are toast as well: (Acropora Lovellei & Sky Blue Loisetteae).
Two large Pocci's don't look very good and my Hammer Coral is hurting, but I think will pull through.
All other corals seem ok. Both cleaner shrimp made an appearance and all the fish are fine.
I have done 3x 20gal water changes, changed the carbon twice and still the skimmer is pulling the blackest, most putrid skimmate I've ever seen. This afternoon I'm going to do a 50% water change and change the carbon again.
All very depressing but I think how much worse it could have been.

Mrfish55 06-26-2010 08:34 PM

Just saw the thread, sorry to hear, need a hand with anything let me know, I have 20 gals mixed and ready to go if needed.

Lance 06-26-2010 09:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mrfish55 (Post 530480)
Just saw the thread, sorry to hear, need a hand with anything let me know, I have 20 gals mixed and ready to go if needed.

Thanks Dave. I'm good. I've got lots of mixed salt water and lots of carbon as well.

Coleus 06-26-2010 09:30 PM

Sorry to hear. Damn those walmart fan.

christyf5 06-26-2010 10:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lance (Post 530476)
Well it looks like I've lost my two largest SPS colonies. :(
The blue-tipped Stag has expelled all its zooxanthellae and is completely bleached. The orange Monti-Cap still has some colour left but not much.
Two other smaller colonies are toast as well: (Acropora Lovellei & Sky Blue Loisetteae).
Two large Pocci's don't look very good and my Hammer Coral is hurting, but I think will pull through.
All other corals seem ok. Both cleaner shrimp made an appearance and all the fish are fine.
I have done 3x 20gal water changes, changed the carbon twice and still the skimmer is pulling the blackest, most putrid skimmate I've ever seen. This afternoon I'm going to do a 50% water change and change the carbon again.
All very depressing but I think how much worse it could have been.


Ugh that is just awful Lance. Keep up with the waterchanges and carbon as the ammonia levels will do some damage if they aren't continually reduced, sounds like the nastiness I dealt with after my move. I would imagine your LPS will be ok its just the SPS (acros) that are touchy and man they can really do some damage to each other as they mucous up and die. Also you can try using an ammonia reducer, it sometimes helps but be careful with the dosages.

SeaHorse_Fanatic 06-26-2010 10:49 PM

Sorry to hear of the losses Lance. Do want me to send a frag of orange monti cap home with Christy (Marie's meeting up with her eventually) to help replace your mother colony?

Lance 06-26-2010 10:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by christyf5 (Post 530495)
Ugh that is just awful Lance. Keep up with the waterchanges and carbon as the ammonia levels will do some damage if they aren't continually reduced, sounds like the nastiness I dealt with after my move. I would imagine your LPS will be ok its just the SPS (acros) that are touchy and man they can really do some damage to each other as they mucous up and die. Also you can try using an ammonia reducer, it sometimes helps but be careful with the dosages.


Yeah it sucks! I've been testing the ammonia every 3 to 4 hours. Right now it's under .25 on a Salifert kit. The water still has a faint murkiness to it, even though I just did another 20 gal water change. I'm running 2 liters of carbon in a BRS dual reactor and changing it every 6 hours or so. I've got an old canister filter I could fill with carbon as well. Or do you think this may be too much?

Lance 06-26-2010 10:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SeaHorse_Fanatic (Post 530497)
Sorry to hear of the losses Lance. Do want me to send a frag of orange monti cap home with Christy (Marie's meeting up with her eventually) to help replace your mother colony?


Thanks Anthony, but I think I'll hold up for awhile and see just what happens with my cap. Portions of it still have some colour so I may be able to save some of it.

christyf5 06-26-2010 11:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lance (Post 530498)
Yeah it sucks! I've been testing the ammonia every 3 to 4 hours. Right now it's under .25 on a Salifert kit. The water still has a faint murkiness to it, even though I just did another 20 gal water change. I'm running 2 liters of carbon in a BRS dual reactor and changing it every 6 hours or so. I've got an old canister filter I could fill with carbon as well. Or do you think this may be too much?

I would imagine what you have running right now is likely doing the job. Just keep up with the waterchanges if you can (which can be friggin exhausting, eventually I just said eff it and gave up, it was too much but in hindsight I wish I had kept going as I ended up having a second round of die off).

Ryanst 06-26-2010 11:30 PM

That sucks I hope everything pulls through. After reading this I decided to actually install the gfi's that have been sitting on my counter for the last couple of weeks. lol

Lance 06-26-2010 11:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by christyf5 (Post 530503)
I would imagine what you have running right now is likely doing the job. Just keep up with the waterchanges if you can (which can be friggin exhausting, eventually I just said eff it and gave up, it was too much but in hindsight I wish I had kept going as I ended up having a second round of die off).


This is what I'm thinking:

1. 25% water change twice a day.
2. Change one liter of carbon daily.
3. Test ammonia frequently. (Amquel if needed)
4. Cut back on fish feeding.
5. Keep fingers crossed.

What do you recommend? Anything else?


Additional List:
6. Buy more salt.
7. Buy more carbon.
8. Start picking out replacement SPS from web sites.
9. Ignore Visa statement.

christyf5 06-26-2010 11:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lance (Post 530514)
This is what I'm thinking:

1. 25% water change twice a day.
2. Change one liter of carbon daily.
3. Test ammonia frequently. (Amquel if needed)
4. Cut back on fish feeding.
5. Keep fingers crossed.

What do you recommend? Anything else?


Additional List:
6. Buy more salt.
7. Buy more carbon.
8. Start picking out replacement SPS from web sites.
9. Ignore Visa statement.

Excellent list, thats pretty much what worked for me except I got tired of 1 and 2 and 3 after awhile. Number 8 was pretty fun though :biggrin:

As you feel you can slow down with the waterchanges, keep on top of the ammonia testing, you never know what can trigger another coral to go south and you'll need to be prepared if that happens.

Lance 06-26-2010 11:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by christyf5 (Post 530516)
Excellent list, thats pretty much what worked for me except I got tired of 1 and 2 and 3 after awhile. Number 8 was pretty fun though :biggrin:

As you feel you can slow down with the waterchanges, keep on top of the ammonia testing, you never know what can trigger another coral to go south and you'll need to be prepared if that happens.


OK. Thanks again.
Water changes aren't too bad. I have a 55 gal container for mixing and a big pump for quick mixing. I'm just thankful it wasn't the big tank, then the water changes would be a real PITA!

Lance 06-27-2010 12:55 AM

A couple of pics of the bleaching.

Blue-tipped Stag. One of my first SPS corals. (12"x12") The acro to the right of it is now bleaching as well.
http://i371.photobucket.com/albums/o...6/IMG_2045.jpg

Large orange Monti Cap (14"x6") About 50% bleached
http://i371.photobucket.com/albums/o...6/IMG_2046.jpg




Losses so far:
Blue-tipped stag, Acropora Lovellei, Sky Blue Loisetteae, Blue Teal Acro, Pink Bird's Nest, unknown Acro, one small colony of zoas.

Iffy but so far still alive:
Orange Monti Cap, 2x smaller Acro colonies, Hammer Coral (5 of the 18 heads are done), two large Poccillopora colonies.

Survivors:
all softies; all LPS excluding the above mentioned Hammer, which I'm thinking will make it; all fish; all shrimps; all snails; feather dusters; and of course all Aiptasia, Majanos, Bubble algae.


Funny how the larger SPS were hardest hit. It seems the smaller the SPS the better it came through the ordeal.

Lance 06-27-2010 12:59 AM

And the clam came through okay. :biggrin:

christyf5 06-27-2010 01:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lance (Post 530530)
A couple of pics of the bleaching.



Losses so far:
Blue-tipped stag, Acropora Lovellei, Sky Blue Loisetteae, Blue Teal Acro, Pink Bird's Nest, unknown Acro, one small colony of zoas.

Iffy but so far still alive:
Orange Monti Cap, 2x smaller Acro colonies, Hammer Coral (5 of the 18 heads are done), two large Poccillopora colonies.

Survivors:
all softies; all LPS excluding the above mentioned Hammer, which I'm thinking will make it; all fish; all shrimps; all snails; feather dusters; and of course all Aiptasia, Majanos, Bubble algae.


Funny how the larger SPS were hardest hit. It seems the smaller the SPS the better it came through the ordeal.

Even if they look dead, don't chuck them until you can see algae on them. Caps are remarkably resilient, I had a couple with small bits of tissue on them, they closed the gap in no time at all and look great now.

Not sure what the blue tipped stag looks like but I have the lovelli, loisettae and two pink birdsnests (not sure which one yours is) as well I have a teal acro (again not sure if the same as yours) that I can get to you if Marie or Dave don't have them :biggrin:

Isn't it a ****er that aiptasia and majanos survive this kind of stuff? Ugh. :twised:

Oh and great to hear about the clam! :)

Lance 06-27-2010 01:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by christyf5 (Post 530533)
Even if they look dead, don't chuck them until you can see algae on them. Caps are remarkably resilient, I had a couple with small bits of tissue on them, they closed the gap in no time at all and look great now.

Not sure what the blue tipped stag looks like but I have the lovelli, loisettae and two pink birdsnests (not sure which one yours is) as well I have a teal acro (again not sure if the same as yours) that I can get to you if Marie or Dave don't have them :biggrin:

Isn't it a ****er that aiptasia and majanos survive this kind of stuff? Ugh. :twised:

Oh and great to hear about the clam! :)


Won't be touching anything until I'm sure they're goners. Thanks muchly for the offer. (I think we all can find a few of each other's pieces in our tanks). :biggrin:

PoonTang 06-27-2010 02:50 AM

Geez Lance that really sucks. I was really keeping my fingers crossed for you. I am glad it wasnt a total wipeout for you tho. What about fragging some of the worst ones a little and putting the pieces in the other tank? Sounds like you are on the right track tho with the water changes and carbon. Of course any frags that I have that would be of use to you you are more than welcome to. Keep us posted.

Lance 06-27-2010 02:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PoonTang (Post 530565)
Geez Lance that really sucks. I was really keeping my fingers crossed for you. I am glad it wasnt a total wipeout for you tho. What about fragging some of the worst ones a little and putting the pieces in the other tank? Sounds like you are on the right track tho with the water changes and carbon. Of course any frags that I have that would be of use to you you are more than welcome to. Keep us posted.

Thanks Darren. I'm just going to watch closely for a bit. If the Cap and others continue to bleach I'll frag the rest of them.

marie 06-27-2010 04:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lance (Post 530566)
Thanks Darren. I'm just going to watch closely for a bit. If the Cap and others continue to bleach I'll frag the rest of them.

Don't frag them if it is just bleaching....everything else being good they can regain their colour again in no time....last year I had all my caps bleach completely white and within a month you would never have known it


It would be a different matter if the tissue is gone though


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