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EmilyB 10-21-2003 08:13 PM

Spectral Aluminium in Calgary
 
Has anyone found a supplier here in the city?

Delphinus 10-21-2003 08:51 PM

Yes, but ah .. um .. I don't remember the name of the place anymore. Dang it, and they had good prices too but they had a minimum order amount and one sheet didn't fill the minimum so you had to buy two sheets (which is why I never followed through, which is why I now don't remember anymore).

I think Ross might have found a place though and maybe he can give you a much more gooder answer than mine answer.

:redface:

AJ_77 10-21-2003 09:32 PM

Yup, Ross is your guy. He just mentioned this last week, so you should get ahold of him quick.

:wink:

rossb 10-21-2003 10:05 PM

aluminum
 
Emilyb you can take a plan of whatever you want cut to the quick grow at the top of Edmonton trail. They will cut it and shape it to whatever shape you need. It cost me about 50 dollars for my entire top...and they had to recut a peice. There is no minimum. You can PM me if you need any more info..

Buccaneer 10-21-2003 10:27 PM

The hydroponic shop is called quick grow and they are on Edmonton Tr 276-5156 ... their manufacturing facility is at North American Greenhouse supplies

Cheers

Buccaneer 10-21-2003 10:29 PM

Oops ... hey Ross ... did not post fast enuff and ya got there before me

:redface:

EmilyB 10-21-2003 11:32 PM

Cool, thanks guys. :mrgreen:

rossb 10-22-2003 01:32 AM

rasta wrote
Quote:

Oops ... hey Ross ...
Hey..I am almost on a first name basis with them :rolleyes:

I'm thinking of growing an alternate crop with all these expensive lights I have...to help pay for the hobby :eek:

(just kidding)

monza 10-22-2003 03:16 AM

What is it used for? My guess from the posts...light reflector?

dave

EmilyB 10-22-2003 03:33 AM

My guess....the equivalent of the AHS or Spiderlight reflector material.

StirCrazy 10-22-2003 03:39 AM

Emily, I highly doubt you are going to find spectral aluminum at a hydroponic shop, but check it out.. maybe them shops are mose sofistacated out there :mrgreen: . I have not found one out here that even know what it is :mrgreen: whare you will find it is at a sheet metal supply place. there are several names for it everbright being one. the stuff you will find in hydroponic stors is mostlikely polished aluminum which doesent even come close to the reflectivity of spectral aluminum.

Steve

EmilyB 10-22-2003 04:54 AM

hmm

Haven't gone to look - I do know what a spider light looks like..... :neutral:

Buccaneer 10-22-2003 05:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by StirCrazy
Emily, I highly doubt you are going to find spectral aluminum at a hydroponic shop, but check it out.. maybe them shops are mose sofistacated out there :mrgreen: . I have not found one out here that even know what it is :mrgreen: whare you will find it is at a sheet metal supply place. there are several names for it everbright being one. the stuff you will find in hydroponic stors is mostlikely polished aluminum which doesent even come close to the reflectivity of spectral aluminum.

Steve

Steve ... take a look at the J&L website under lighting and tell me if the stuff that they are using for reflectors for MH are spectral aluminium ... the guys at the hydroponics store did say the stuff was polished aluminium with a 95% reflectivity which is the same reflectivity that the J&L reflector claims to have ... is polished aluminium with 95% reflectivity then the same as everbright or spectral aluminium ?

Cheers

StirCrazy 10-22-2003 01:28 PM

everbright (spectral aluminum) is a higher grade and comes in at 98% reflectivity, if they are saying 95% then they are using some grade of spectral aluminum which surprised me as the answer I got out here is that you want a dispersaly type of reflector to avoid hot spots on your plants not at true reflectance type.

The problem with spectral aluminum is you have to know what metal was used to coat the aluminum. aluminum its self is very porus and no mater how you polish it you will never get close to the reflectivity of spectral aluminum.

When they make spectral aluminum they coart the aluminum with a smaller grained metal that allows for a smoother surface and hence more reflective. Silver is a very commen one that will give you about 93 to 95%. if you can find the products that are done using nickel, the reflectors I am running are tested at 98.9% reflectance and they are high grade nickel coated.

Steve

rossb 10-22-2003 03:40 PM

Steve the aluminum is not available at the hydroponics shop. The hydroponics shops has north american green house supply manufacture the reflectors they sell in the store. It is a rather large shop with several impressive looking machines, as well as a number of shears, breakers etc.

I talked to the guy that actually makes the stuff and they buy the aluminum in 10 foot sheets and refer to it as "spectral aluminum". It is coated with a blue plastic film to prevent scratching and it is certainly shiny. Because they go through quite a few sheets of the stuff they have some scraps around they use on smaller projects. They also have another dispersal type of reflector material that is shiny and bumpy.

One might argue that a material with a reflectivity that is 98.5% is better than one that is 95%. Once you place this materail in your hood and you expose it to a high mosture enviroment...well unless you are doing dailly cleanings there is not much difference. And even with dailing cleaning ... it only makes a difference for the first few hours.

StirCrazy 10-23-2003 02:02 AM

nickel is non reactive whare silver is reactive a little. I could scan a metal reactance chart from work but i would have to find one :mrgreen: for this reason alone the nickel finnish would be mor durable in the enviorment we use it it. I cleaned my reflector [nickel one] after 6 months of abuse and it looked like it was brand new, my old one [silver one] and it looks aged, the nickel one had more salt on it. so from experiance I can tell you the fin ish does matter but it is up to you to decide how much. I think if Delphinus can rember whare he got the price from it was like 3.50/sq ft [1/2 the price i can get it from on the island :rolleyes: ] so it is a cheep reflector at that price.

Steve

Bob I 10-23-2003 02:40 AM

:sleeping:

Aquattro 10-23-2003 03:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rcipema
:sleeping:

This must be what happens in the later years. Falling asleep right in the middle of an exciting thread!! :razz:

Canadian Man 10-23-2003 04:21 AM

That's just "Lumper Talk" Brad.

StirCrazy 10-23-2003 04:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Canadian Man
That's just "Lumper Talk" Brad.

ok I hate to have to ask but what is "lumper talk"?

Steve

Canadian Man 10-23-2003 04:51 AM

Well Bob is what we call a Lumper when it comes to his tank.....Maybe anti technology if you will. Refuses Technology for his tank because it's not natural but in all respect's having no technology on your tank is not natural. We won't get into that though.....just because :rolleyes: . So in Bob world I call lack of wanting to participate or add anything productive to the technological conversation "Lumper Talk"

Make sense

Buccaneer 10-23-2003 04:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Canadian Man
Well Bob is what we call a Lumper when it comes to his tank.....Maybe anti technology if you will. Refuses Technology for his tank because it's not natural but in all respect's having no technology on your tank is not natural. We won't get into that though.....just because :rolleyes: . So in Bob world I call lack of wanting to participate or add anything productive to the technological conversation "Lumper Talk"

Make sense

:mrgreen:

Bob I 10-23-2003 03:27 PM

It must be a slow news day. You publish one smily, and it starts a whole new discussion. BTW Jon, I started the "Lumper" thing myself.
:2gunfire:

AJ_77 10-23-2003 03:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by StirCrazy
for this reason alone the nickel finnish would be mor durable in the enviorment we use it it...

I'm wondering if this question would get an answer at the hydroponics shop... what their spectral aluminum is coated with.

:question:

Delphinus 10-23-2003 03:35 PM

I will try to find the place that quoted me the price if Steve or someone else wants, just say the word.

The only issue was that they were/are a metal supply place not a fabricator so you had to buy the whole sheet. I can't remember if they were willing to cut it onsite, I think they were, but the other complication was that one sheet did not meet the minimum order amount so you had to buy TWO sheets. So you definitely need to be comfortable sitting on a lot of spectral aluminium and hopefully even you have access to metalworking tools because then you have the luxury of doing whatever you want with it down the road. Definitely not for me, but someone else might be able to take advantage of the price maybe.

Can someone refresh my memory, what kind of thickness do we want for materials to make into reflectors?


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