Seahorse Galore **ARRIVED**
 

I am pleased to finally announce a real good Seahorse Order pending.

I am posting this for anyone interested in pre-ordering to guarentee avalibility.

We have access to the following;

Orange Seahorse (8cm)
Orange Seahorse (9cm)
Bright Orange Seahorse (8cm)
Bright Orange Seahorse (9cm)
Black Seahorse (7-8cm)
Black Seahorse (8-9cm)
Yellow Seahorse (7-8cm)
Yellow Seahorse (8-9cm)
Red Seahorse (7-8cm)

http://www.blueworldaquatic.com/pictures/seahorse.jpg

Ken - BWA

Prices will vary depending on size an color. PM me if interested.

Ken, what species would the seahorses be?
Thanks

Hahaha. You scared me there for a second. I thought I had placed some huge order for dozens of colourful seahorses with you in my sleep & now waking up to a huge VISA bill for them.

Signed,

The original "SeaHorse_Fanatic" (aka Anthony)

Wow those are amazing color's, do you know what the price for them might be yet?

if your coming to get seahorses then you should come see my tank so i dont have to post so many god dam pics :P

okay back to topic

Haha, I thought this was a group order of some kind.

Hippocampus reidi


Ken - BWA

Seahorses
 

I'm in for red and orange - 2 of each.

Thanks
Nicole:mrgreen:

depending on cost ill be in for a few

+1 I'm very interested in a pair of the red's depending on the cost. Would like to have them shipped with those feeder shrimp if they come in on time.
Levi

is everyone setting up (or already has set up) a seahorse tank, or are you just putting them into your mixed reef?? Just curious :-)

Kien

That is funny you should ask that... I am thinking of adding a couple to my reef tank... I have gone the separate tank thing:twised:... but now think it is time to take the plunge and try them in my reef:mrgreen:.....Oh, I am living on the edge here...:lol: If Sphelps can do it....then so can I........maybe:wink:

Ive had bright yellows and in no time they turn black.. whats the secret in keeping the bright colors?

I would like to put one or two in my shallow lagoon but I feel like there is way too much flow in there. He would get blasted around the tank. Plus I read that they like lower temperatures. I know lots of people put them in normal reef temp tanks like 77-81, but don't they prefer 75 ish ?

When I kept them before I had the temp set at 80 deg same as all my other tanks..my temp does not fluctuate. They did great till one fateful blond moment of stupidity:cry: ...long story!

Your right though depending on how much flow and guessing you may have a lot...they may just fly around rather than swim. I have a MP20 placed up high so don't see it as a issue

Thats correct... Most seahorses do better at a temp of 68-75. When you go over 75 you are more likely to run into bacterial infections.

I have been informed by the supplier.

Here is an unprecedented guarantee; they are offering a “1 year live guarantee”.

Ken - BWA

Oh come on, that doesn't even make sense... you must of miss typed that.

Nope,

These are captive bred seahorses and they are proud of them. I have an email to confirm it.

As long as it isn't from neglect, they will replace them. That is good as the orange and red are a bit expensive.

Ken - BWA

a bit expensive would be approximately how much?

Red & Orange Seahorses Landed will be about $180-$200 each.

I have pesonally been on the hunt for reds for the last 6 months.

Ken - BWA

I love the idea of a 1 year warranty as I am in the consumer position but the "neglect" factor is what scares me. Ken can you please elaborate on this, if my sea horse dies do they perform an autopsy to determine if it was actually "neglect". What does "neglect" entail, and how much appx are they looking for the colorful ones?
Levi

I'll confirm with the supplier about neglect. Basically I think they just want confirmation of any bodily damage.

But as with most breading faciilities line them and ORA they will replace DOA's because of their reputations.

ORA is amazing for that, as they don't question any concerns I have.

In short, I this supplier is not worried of the odd "dead", they probally just want the dealer to confirm with a body.

Ken - BWA

I have heard of ORA doing this for thier dealers, thier products are renowned world wide and i have had this guarantee offered to myself as well for the picasso clownfish they sell i just couldnt order the limit they wanted.
Those too i have heard of blueworld also selling but missed out on the drive north.

Here in calgary they have clownfish from ora, those retail at 35$ at bigals, everywhere else they sell for 20$ or less.

If Ken says they have one year garrentee, im sure even if the breeder denies your refund i know ken would pocket the loss to keep you happy.

Actually I have 2 pairs of TRUE Picasso's in stock right now still.

Ken

Those are awesome fish.
got a pair?

I have 5 tanks set up for seahorses now, with more to be coming online as I increase my herd.
At the moment I have reidi, erectus, comes (tigertails), angustus, and barbouri.
I raised reidi fry that are now just over a year old from fry I got from Triggz when he lived in London.
To expand on the temperature, most of the seahorses available to us are normally found in waters warmer than 74°F in their natural habitats.
Unfortunately, waters of those temperatures are ALSO ideal for the growth of bacteria, like vibriosis for instance, that multiply exponentially with each degree rise in temperature, especially after the 74 mark.
Seahorses are extremely susceptible to these bacterial infections and treatment success is very limited even when caught in time.
Long term keepers on the "org" have found that temperatures ranging from 68° to 74° provide the greatest degree of success, but no guarantee.
Seahorses can withstand low medium and at times, higher flow but need to have all these areas with hitching so that they can choose what they want when they want.
They have limited means of mobility and, moving is very stressful to them as it consumes a lot of energy compared to a normal fish. They can be sucked into power heads very easily unless protected.
Most seahorses can be stressed merely by fast moving fish, and, other fish for the most part will outcompete for feeding as most seahorses are slow, very picky eaters.
That can also lead to water quality issues that without excellent husbandry, can lead to major algal issues or coral problems.
Seahorse should not be kept with stinging corals or with anemones.
Clams sometimes will close up on their tails, causing damage that leads to fatal bacterial infections many times.
Now, all this being said, it is not all the information one needs to know, but just the most important that I can think of based on my research and seahorse keeping over the last many years.
Does it mean you can't keep seahorses in a reef tank setting? NO!! It doesn't mean that, it means that your odds of success are very low and indeed there are horses out there in such settings.
However, for every success, there are many many failures.
Just check around an area selling seahorses to see how many are still there of what has been sold.
These true captive bred ones offer the best chance of success as the ones bred or raised using ocean water, while much cheaper, have the same parasites that wild caught seahorses have and survivability of ocean water raised are normally very poor.
For the best information available for you to give the best care to your new seahorses, go to seahorse.org and check out the extensive forums and the articles in the library and you should have an excellent chance of success with your seahorses.

Just a few pics FYI;

1 day at the breeding facility
http://www.blueworldaquatic.com/pictures/1.jpg
4 days
http://www.blueworldaquatic.com/pictures/2.jpg
2 weeks
http://www.blueworldaquatic.com/pictures/3.jpg
3 weeks
http://www.blueworldaquatic.com/pictures/4.jpg
3 months
http://www.blueworldaquatic.com/pictures/5.jpg




Ken - BWA

Ken;
I am looking at the same order sheet and will be ordering some myself but don't see any customer guarantees.
None the less How would you handle this ?.
Since the order form shows a limited quantity and most resellers have been looking for these (like you said 6+ months) you would replace one if it dies with your stock? or.
Having a replacement seahorse sent to you would cost a fair bit , would you cover that cost or the customer?
After 1 week, 1 month, 6 months, 1 year are these sea horses going to be readily available so you can replace with your guarantee. At that point would you be refunding the customers $.
Would each replacement seahorse start again the 1 year guarantee? If so you could keep a "poor hobbiest" in seahorses for the rest of BWA's lifespan.
Would you control who you sell to (ie people with seahorse setups) there is potentially a limited supply and with a guarantee everyone could give them a shot.
These are the first questions that come to mind.
Kevin
Red Coral Aquarium

Was that a guarantee through the manufacturer or the wholesaler.?

Thank you Kevin,
This is what I was kind of getting at, this is the first time I have ever seen a warranty on live fish over 24 hours and to have it expanded 365 times that amount is... baffling to say the least.

I thought it was industry standard to not provide warranty on live fish due to the uncertainty of the buyer and I'm going to need some details on that warranty if I wish to commit.
Levi

Levi, That industry standard needs to be changed. Stores should be held accountable for the livestock they sell out too fast or sick. It should never be considered buyer beware. We in fact have a 72 hour live guarantee for our customers.

Like I said this is a guarantee from the Breeder, and is quite unpresidented. That is why I contacted the wholesaler and breeder on this issue. I have an email confirming the guarantee from our suppliers.

Kevin, The reason that I have been looking for months for these is not because they were not available from this breeder, but we did not know of this breeder until recently. Colors like this were not avaliable from mainstream suppliers that most stores dealt with. When was the last time anyone saw Red seahorses in Canada? The only reason you have this list in your hands is because of my diligence in looking for them in the past months, and willingness to share it with other stores that deal with my wholesaler. When I finally found them I passed the breeders information to the wholesaler that supplied you this list so they would be avaliable to the general public readily. Look lower in the list, it states, "Seahorse Stock - 1 year live guarantee - no discount" in the blue bar. If you do not see this then you are not dealing with the same breeding facility. Also what they have available for sale, is not their total stock, they have many grow tanks running at once.

As for your comment of "poor hobbyist", anyone that knows our store, or has had dealings with us, know we don't just sell our fish to anyone that has a fistful of dollars, we question the customer of their setups, and experience, and match the livestock accordingly. Seahorses are for the advanced hobbists.

I don't know how many customers I have personally turned down because they were not ready for seahorses.

If we notice someone not experienced enough or has a tank not mature enough we don't sell it. It is that simple.

If the odd person slips through the crack or gives us incorrect information or just lies that will all come out when they need them replaced. Replacements will not be immediate unless we have them in stock, otherwise they have to await the next shipment. Most people learn from their mistakes, and if they don't then I will refund the purchase amount. It is not like I would lose anything anyhow, as the livestock will still be replaced regardless.

Not often do we get live guarantee's like this, and it should be utilized by the stores and not kept quiet.

Ken - BWA

Please, this is not a discussion on ethics nor policies. I was not meant to be, so lets keep it that way.

Ken - BWA

Oreder is expected next week, added a small fish order to it too.

Orange Seahorse
Bright Orange Seahorse
Yellow Seahorse
Red Seahorse

Purple Tang
Golden Heart Trigger
Emperor Angelfish
Bright Red Nemo Clown
Personifer Angel
Yellow Blenny
Red Spotted Blenny
Blue Carpet Anemone
Flourrescent Blue Carpet Anemone
Flourrescent Green Carpet Anemone
Flourrescent Green Bulb Anemone
Teddy Bare Crab
Cleaner Shrimp

Just my luck! I'm in Edmonton tomorrow and Friday but I'm a week too early for the good stuff! I have been having the worst luck finding a blue carpet.

I can ship if needed. We have 3 coming.

Ken

Ken,
I just talked to Kevin at Red Coral and he informed me he would not put a 1 year guarantee on the red&orange seahorses coming in. Would you ship to Airdrie? Also what would be the terms on the 1 year guarantee? I have kept seahorses in the past and am looking to add 2 reds to my tank. If one died would I get one from your stock or from your next order or would I receive my money back? What conditions would apply to this guarantee?
Thanks

How many seahorses are in the seahorse tank now?
It is not recommended to mix seahorses from different sources in the same tank.
While it has been done, it usually leads to problems most times causing death of one species or sometimes both.
Seahorses become somewhat tolerant of pathogens they grow up with but when exposed to pathogens of other sourced seahorses/fish, they many times succumb to this new exposure.

What Kevin decides to do is his option. He may not have the same supplier though too.

I was informed by the breeder, as long as I have the body they will replace it, if we have it in stock we will replace it on the spot. If not, we would have to wait until the next one is avaliable.

Ken - BWA

Hi Ken,

Do you have comfirmation on weather or not your getting this order today?