thread review - canreef staff please read
 

First - this is in no way an attempt to further a discussion canreef is currently reviewing/may not feel appropriate.

That being said - I am interested in knowing when the "other" thread regarding the importation of highly sought after coral frags into Canada does, or does not go back online.

This topic warrants/demands further discussion and review for various reasons, which I would be happy to elaborate on when you feel it is appropriate (the other thread got closed before I even had an opportunity to read it!). This topic affects many members, including sponsors.

I think it is important to review it here. I will be reviewed further none the less (if not here...), but I think canreef is the most appropriate forum. Thanks.

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Thanks for posting, my sentiments exactly IMO there is WAY to much sensorship on this forum. Why on earth would a perfectly good post be pulled for review? This isn't the government, canreef should be MUCH more transparent when it comes to issues like this. It feels like every day posts are being closed/ removed and the reason for doing so is always EXTREAMLY vague. I would be down for paying an "Elite" member charge, this way the vendor amount could be lowered giving a little more power to members of this site. This might be out of bounds but why does the forum Admin Titus never participate in these discussions, is it not his board and would it not make sence to have his input on it?
Levi

Levi, as stated to you many times, if you are not happy with this board, please go elsewhere. You have no idea what we deal with in the background, and trust me, we don't just roll dice and decide to close threads based on the outcome of said dice.
Everything we do has a reason, and if it's not clear to you, I don't care. We provide this resource to people like you as a free service. If you're not happy with our free service, go somewhere else. No, really.

Brad, I never said that you roll the dice for anything I fully understand that the things you do have reasons behind them and that sometimes its not for the public to hear. Sometimes though, a little accountability would not hurt, you just said that "You have no idea what we deal with in the background". Well why can't we? Would it not be so hard to say "Well the post was closed because it conflicted with someones religion" instead of leaving us all on the edje. Let me make something very clear to you though, I absolutly love the people on this forum the only thing that I'm erked with is the response I get from people like you. I post a general inquiry not insulting anyone and you come out with fists flying, did I insult you personally? If so please PM me and I would be more than glad to work it out with you.
Levi

So could you please provide some insight or guidelines as to what is acceptable and what isn't? I do agree that it seems threads get closed for arbitrary reasons so sharing some of the criteria might be helpful. Also, having the courtesy to tell a thread's author that it is being pulled and why might be nice too. i don't think thread should be removed just because some people don't like them. This is a democracy and we do have some freedom of speech as long as we aren't inciting hate or anything like that.

Some of the discussions are useful and informative and people should just have to agree to disagree at times.

Thanks,

Ron

the post was removed because it conflicted with someones religion. Mine.:razz:

You know, with your subtleness, yes you did insult me personally. You don't come out and say exactly what you wanted to say, but instead thinly veiled it. Its the underlying tone that certainly makes me wonder why I continue here.

*sigh*

Yes, you insult me, and the rest of the team, personally. You can't know because I don't feel like explaining it to you. That simple. Because anytime I try, you and your censorship groupies argue about it. Every single time.
You did not post a general inquiry, you posted an attack onthe board's policies. The free board you love so much.
We run it, we run it th eway we feel it runs best, and out of the thousands of members, it 4 or 5 of you that constantly complain. Oh, its not fair. too bad. Like I said. go somewhere else.
Oh, and remove the 41 frags crap from your sig, for the last time.

Christie how can you read tone on a forum:lol:, I am a VERY light hearted person and I'm telling you right now flat out that the post was not meant to insult you or any of the mods that make this service possible for me. Its just a little frustrating at times to not know whats going on, thats all :smile:.
Levi

No Ron, it's not a democracy. It's anything but. It is a privately owned resource and will run the way we feel it should be run. That's it. If something gets removed, you can guess it was bad. We can't post an example of every little thing that might get pulled. If someone is new, and they made a mistake, we try to tell them via PM, if we have time. That is the best it's gonna get.
No democracy.

You mean you couldn't tell that thread was stirring up a hornets nest? We're talking courts and lawyers, not just someone getting their panties in a twist

well you know how it is, when one person complains that we're not transparent and obviously we have our own agenda and hide whats REALLY going on from the members of a FREE forum that is provided by a PRIVATE individual, its really hard not to get pi$$ed off about the whole thing. Its people like yourself that in your "lightheartedness" really cause the most damage. Personally I think its interesting that in one breath you're accusing us of having said agenda and in the next its all sunshine and happiness.

I don't have a problem with people who are bothered that the mods aren't more open etc. We have our reasons for what we do. Perhaps you should try being a moderator some time and see just what kind of BS goes on. I mean 95% of the time its really fun but that 5% of the time really makes me want to just quit altogether.

The LE one was :neutral:? I personally thought it was a very interesting discussion, unfortuantly I didn't get to read all of the posts before it was removed. If that was the case then good on the mods to close it, I'm sure a lawsuit could cause some problems.
Levi

never mind! i can,t belive this @@@@.

which @@@ would that be, mine or his? :wink:

I know!! Me too.

group hug. come here big guy!

:rofl:

Fine!

ok close this one too. this is getting crazy.

we are all here for a good time and too learn!.

I have been an Admin on a few smaller forums, nothing as large as Canreef but from what I had to deal with in those I can sumise that those 5% really don't make it that fun for you (and if you want to place me in that group then I'm truly really sorry and I will try and quell my posts). What secret agenda are you talking about though, I would think that your agenda is towards oporating the forum for its general good. I know that the only thing you get out of forum is the knowledge and enjoyment of discussing the hobby with fellow reefers, thats what I'm here for also. For the record though, I would absolutly love to mod here.
Levi

It's Dave's thread. He'll have to manage it or ask us to manage it.

Oh, Dave, sorry about the hijack :)

Funny how tunes change with 20 minutes or so eh? :wink:

OH just great. I work just 1 day in the last 22 and OFCOURSE its the day when all the fun stuff happens and now I cant even read it. :(

Yes, you can blame that on my teenage hormones :mrgreen:. Really though, my posts through out have not been directed anger on the mods just my continous curiousity of how things work.
Levi
(Sorry Dave about the Hi-jack too!)

Hasn't your mother ever told you curiosity killed the cat? :razz:

Satisfaction brought it back!

Ahaha, thats pretty funny actually I was going to post that exact term. Well i'm not dead yet... or banned for that matter *nocks on wood* :lol:.
Levi

Make sure that's real wood you're knocking on......

Would you be willing to lend me some?
Levi

I have to agree with the other two staff members here.

Sorry but your post here Levi and earlier in the store for sale thread, both took pot shots at the staff here, so yes it insulted me. As I said before, others need to understand more goes on behind the scene.

Perhaps we need to explain why sometimes, I dont know. But when we do we are usually crapped on anyways, as the free speech crap always is thrown at us, no matter what.

Why could those having a problem not pm one or all of us, rather than posting these comments in this forum. Anyone would know its going to cause problems.

Same as the threads everyones complaining about, including the Big Al thread. Now cmon. Those would be shut down on most all reefing boards I post on. Like was said, those discussions may be fine when sitting around together.

As for Titus the boards owner, well I,m sure he can speak for himself but he lives and works overseas, does put in considerable time behind the scenes.

Remember we just volenteer. Sometimes staff just cant jump on things, such as the for sale thread you wondered why was still there. The other was moved for now as Jason mentioned. That was because were sent lots of reports about the thread going south, at least in somes opinions.

We try do whats best for the board under the guidelines set down. Thats about all we can do. For sure everyone will not always be in agreement but you may be surprised at how many are.

OMG spitting milk all over!

Wish i could still have teenage wood :redface:

Not even going to go there :lol:.
Levi

OMG I go and watch Hellboy II and I miss everything! I need to have less of a social life so I can pay more attention to Canreef :lol:

Sorry, but I'm with the other staff members here. When there are posts that are prefaced with "The staff here are arbitrary", it IS insulting to us. I feel this way too everytime the issue of censorship comes up. And it makes me wonder why I continue to do this.

Yes, some things get removed from public view sometimes. And that's never going to change. If there are problems with a post, it will get pulled and not always will the reasoning be publicly posted.

Think of this example, if a student is suspended or expelled from a school, the principal, the teachers, the school board do not come out and publicly invade that student's (or others) privacy by announcing the reason. Sometimes the reasons just plain aren't for public knowledge.

We the staff run the board. In my opinion, we do a pretty good job of keeping it open and friendly. Other boards put up with far less than we do, but if you really feel that more transparency is required on the part of the staff, well, we beg to differ. Sorry but that is the reality.

Well said Tony. I do not have to rehash everyone else has already said. but agree with it 100%

J

I can certainly appreciate that alot goes in in the background and I'm not sitting here all day reading each and every post to a thread as they go up to see if something rally offensive happens. But maybe just a note to the originator of the thread telling them it's being pulled and why would be nice. I still have no idea why my other thread disappeared other than maybe some Big Al's supporters were offended.

Sorry to Hijack this a bit Dave, it's slightly related but I'll return the programming to you now :)

IMO arbitrary isn't quite the right word to use here but I understand how why it was chosen. The lack of transparency for the reasoning behind some of these decisions is frustrating sometimes. I found myself wondering if or how my contributions contributed to the problems. Why had the staff decided to kill the thread? Did I miss something nasty posted? Is there drama I am not a part of or am I unknowingly in the middle of it? I was vexed, really rather vexed.

Then I remembered that I needed a new spark plug for the lawnmower and priorities shifted. Turns out I have a life and stuff.

Most of the time when somebody says they want transparency they really want input into how the situation is handled. There's lots of lively discussion here, opinions vary and some posters (like myself for example) are stubborn, arrogant and abrupt at times. In what fantasy world do you have to live in that you would think somebody's bad behavior in a thread about skimmers would not spill over and probably escalate in some sort of meta discussion about how to deal with the thread that was out of control?

When you ask the mods to open these things up to further discussion what you are really asking them is to start a never ending pile of shat. Some sort of flamewar race to the bottom that they have to devote more time to day after day.

It's not a reasonable request, go buy a spark plug.

Wow, you go clean the skimmer, check the tanks and go to bed without checking the thread…and there are 36 replies!

First let me say I think the mods and admin team do a good job here on Canreef. This thread was not closed immediately, and honestly, I think they are part of the reason this board is the most active in Canada and has had the number of active members increase more than 50% during the time I have been here (obviously the members contribute significantly also!). Other forums, well we have watched the number of active members steadily decrease. Would I like to have seen the other thread edited instead of closed, yes. Do I agree with EVERY reefkeeping recommendation and/or statement the mod and admin team make, no. Should we respect the fact their job is not an easy one being mindful they have the best interests of the board in mind, yes.

Now that being said, as I mentioned in the first post the topic of LE/Tyree/ORA and other brand name corals being marketed and sold in Canada warrants further discussion as it could affect many members, reefkeepers (at all levels), including sponsors. There are many many reasons to discuss this further – some of which could be considered significant.

I would be happy to host the discussion in a new thread in the wickedfrags forum. Discussion would not mention specific vendors (unless of course they chose to participate just like the last thread). Thread would remain civil, professional and as courteous as possible at all times, while still expressing your thoughts whatever they may be (however if they are deemed over the top or inappropriate they would be edited).

This topic could very well represent a new and exciting opportunity for both reefkeepers and sponsors. Being mindful of the board's interests, I would invite the moderators to assist in the thread moderation as I am on the east coast and not online nearly as much as they are.

I sincerely hope this important topic is not overlooked and further discussion is allowed. It would be disappointing and perhaps considered irresponsible by some to turn a blind eye to this discussion and pretend the topic never arose on the board.

Look forward to your continued replies.

and while the chat above is all serious……..ya I thought the teenage wood comment was funny :) )

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