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martym 09-02-2008 07:59 PM

Substrate clumping
 
What causes this and how to stop it?
Thanks

Oceanic 09-02-2008 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by martym (Post 343171)
What causes this and how to stop it?
Thanks

Usually this is a sign of Calcium carbonate forming in the substrate sticking everything together. I had this in my old tank once. Not sure how to prevent it, my tank has no sand so i don't have to worry about it! :mrgreen:

Marlin65 09-02-2008 08:21 PM

Not a good thing more flow will help and something to stir it up a bit.
How deep is your sand anything less than three inches is useless especially if it is larger grains.

Aquattro 09-02-2008 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Marlin65 (Post 343179)
How deep is your sand anything less than three inches is useless especially if it is larger grains.


Useless in what context?

martym 09-02-2008 10:19 PM

I guess I should load it up with SPS and absorb some of the Calcium, at lease that's what i can tell my wife :)

martym 09-02-2008 10:21 PM

only about 1-1.5" in DT but there is 4" in refugium. There is lots of circulation. 2X tunze 6055 turned right up, and the 350gph return and about 100gph return from the refuigium The tank is only 50g :)

Marlin65 09-02-2008 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Aquattro (Post 343188)
Useless in what context?

For NO3 reduction you need a min of 3" anything less will just turn into a nutrient sink.

Aquattro 09-03-2008 12:53 AM

I'll start a different thread on depth later on :)

Marlin65 09-03-2008 02:15 AM

I take it you don't agree. :biggrin:

Aquattro 09-03-2008 02:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Marlin65 (Post 343254)
I take it you don't agree. :biggrin:

Well, yes and no. Kinda. The thing is, I don't think you need sand at all, and if you use it, is 2 inches bad where 4 inches is good? If so, why? If not, why not? Don't worry, we'll get our own thread going :)

i have crabs 09-03-2008 02:52 AM

is it loose clumping or hard clumping? loose clumping is usually from sticky biofilms from excess dissolved organics,hard clumps is usually calcium carbonate binding

marie 09-03-2008 03:07 AM

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Originally Posted by i have crabs (Post 343267)
is it loose clumping or hard clumping? loose clumping is usually from sticky biofilms from excess dissolved organics,hard clumps is usually calcium carbonate binding

Another good way to tell why its clumping is to put the clump into some bleach water, if it falls apart its excessive organics if vinegar is the only thing that breaks it apart its calcium

littlesilvermax 09-03-2008 04:21 AM

If it is precipitated calcium, then 10 bucks says your magnesium is less then 1300 ppm.:wink:

What are your calcium, alkalinity, and magneisum levels?

untamed 09-03-2008 05:29 AM

Are you using Kalk to support Ca/Alk? That clumping can easily occur with heavy Kalk dosing.

littlesilvermax 09-03-2008 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by untamed (Post 343316)
Are you using Kalk to support Ca/Alk? That clumping can easily occur with heavy Kalk dosing.

Reasoning being:

-kalk spikes the ph which can make precipitation happen easier
-kalk use often leads to depleted magnesium levels

I would keep your magnesium at 1400ppm or so.:wink:

martym 09-03-2008 10:24 PM

Not adding kalk, but using a cal reactor. Cal=400, Alk= 11, don't know mag.
It breaks apart when taped but if just moved around it stays together, the tank has only been running for 2 months.

littlesilvermax 09-04-2008 02:50 AM

What salt?

martym 09-04-2008 03:41 AM

Io

littlesilvermax 09-04-2008 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by martym (Post 343475)
Io

What I figured.

IO works very good for fish only.

I use it for my reef, and so do many others. For myself I found it very hard to keep my alk and calcium in-line, untill I started adding magnesium to the mix.

FWIW it takes a lot of magnesium to get it to where you want it.

Many people follow my home made recipe:

Just do the math to get it to follow your water change shed:

-45 gallon of new water (RO, or DI or RO/DI)
-add 1.5 cups of magnesium
-add 6 teaspoons of calcium
-after the cal and mag are mixxed add the salt.

This will yield app 1380 mag, 420 cal, and 10 dkh alk

I always recommend testing, but FWIW I have not tested magnesium for over 3 years, and things are still going great for my tank, no precip on my pumps, or anywhere else!


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