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Well listen ,Who would be interested in buying MH 250 -400 w they will prob be around 70 CDN or 50 US plus SHIPPING....
10,000K and 20,000K MADE by-Hortilux [ 30 September 2002, 19:28: Message edited by: asmodeus ] |
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Be careful, last time I heard about a deal on bulbs that was too good to be true, it was. Don't get burned. (A lot of people on RC were, this guy never delivered the bulbs, but happily took the money.)
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THanks, Tony I appreciate the thought the My buddy is on Canreef, Brian
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Got a little more spec's on the Bulb's? Will they arrive unbroken?
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they are coming from B.C from my buddy Brian, WHo is on Canreef will find out ok.
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Mike I have seen the bulbs stay away from them. They are not all that good.
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Hortilux is a Trademark of Eye Iwasaki and are sodium bulb made specialy for plant growing
I have never heard of a compagnie called hortilux second be carefull getting your self involve in the shipping of bulb I have learn it the hard way It have cost me more than 500$,I have been badly treated and I have still not get a penny from insurance. Here is the tread in case you have not heard about it: http://www.canreef.com/ubb6/cgi-bin/...c;f=4;t=000299 [ 01 October 2002, 00:35: Message edited by: stephane ] |
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ANY inquires on the MH bulbs Contact BRIAN at this email address
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Is this the bulb?
http://www.eyelighting.com/img/ultraacespectral.gif HTH, AJ [ 02 October 2002, 17:56: Message edited by: AJ_77 ] |
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Tank AJ this is the bulb I was talking. Put this in an aquarium and the only ting that will grow in are algea this bulb is a 3000k kelvin this is more yellow than yellow
if you look on you graphique there a small TM on hortilux that mean this name is a trademark by iwasaki and could only be take by them. So I can't see how can another compagnie could have register his buisness name on hortilux legaly Why dont you ask your friend Bryan to come here talk a bit more about that bulb? [ 02 October 2002, 09:15: Message edited by: stephane ] |
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Well I was going to stay out of this and Stephane probably wishes I did but I don't agree with some of the statements made here. first all I want to agree that yes this is a Iwasaki made bulb and Hortilux is one of there biger plant growing brands (specificly made for the hydroponic industry) but there are also 3 different main brands of hortilux bulbs and depending which one it could range from a yellow to a white color the 2100K's will be real yellow (I think thatis the spectrum that AJ posted, and the 4100K will actualy be fairly white. having said that I have never heard of 10K or 20K hortilux and I would be skeptical of them.. maby e-mail iwasaki themselves and inquire about that.
People seam to be hung up on actinic light for our corals.. well they don't need Actinic light.. yes it works but so does any other light in the 360nm to 780nm range.. it just happens that the lower numbers penatrate better than the higher thats why everyone thinks you need actinic to make the corals grow. Well in the 18" to 3' of water our tanks contain you are not filtering out any significant amount of the light and any light in the previous mention wave lenght range WILL stimulate photosynthis. there for if you have a high PAR value in the green range like this bulb you should be able to grow stuff like a hot damn :D BUT, and this is a big BUT it will not look as good to the eye as it would if you have some blueish lights on there to make thing "Glow" so with this bulbs it comes right down to you.. if you want the corals to grow and don't care much about how apeasing the tank is to your eye then get them (mind you some people actualy like the way iwasaki's look on there tank. it will be more realistic loking than a bunch of actinics on it) the other option is if you want your tank to glow and have a blueish look to it add some VHO actinics with these bulbs. if there is any more doubts as the ability of your coral to grow under thease lights.. even Erik Borneman says " You can grow corals well using only actinic light - if there is enough of it - same as any light source since corals can use all the wavelengths and will photoadapt to maximize use of whatever wavelengths are present." here is the thread whare he says that http://www.reefcentral.com/vbulletin...hreadid=116423 I have seen the 4100K bulbs in the local hydroponic shops and they look quite white there .. I imagin a couple VHO actinics or true 03 PC actinics would make it quite nice. what about this one? could it be this? http://www.eyelighting.com/img/metalacespectral.gif or this one http://www.eyelighting.com/img/superhpsspectral.gif unless we know which line of Hortilux he is talking about we can't be sure if they are bad or 1/2 deicent so lets not jump the gun and say they are crap befor we know the info :D :D Steve [ 02 October 2002, 16:59: Message edited by: StirCrazy ] |
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This all began when one of my customers showed me some MH equipment he gets for his Hydroponics biz. I thought I would investigate the differences or similarities between what he was buying and what we in this hobby use, since there was HUGE difference in the price. He showed me reflectors, sockets, ballasts, water pumps etc at prices 1/3 to 1/2 what is being charged at LFS stores.
I figured there must be some differences otherwise hobbyists would be already buying them there. I spoke with the manufacturer's rep to get more info on the bulbs. They are available in 250W and 400W models; 23,000K initial and 14,400 mean over their lifespan. Their spectrums tend to the yellow and white end. I am not an expert, I know very little about these things and am not offering anything as such. I merely thought that if people were interested they were really cheap at hydroponic supply stores. To me it was obvious that since they were intended for hydroponic use, they would be intended for photosynthetic lifeforms. In reading the many BB's and sites I have perused in the year and a half I prepared to get into this hobby, there is a wide variety of opinion on what spectrum/intensity/modality light is best,required or recommended. If you are interested in checking these lights out, check out a local hydroponics store. Please stop emailing me and telling me to get my info straight. I should have known better than to start this after what Stephane went through. |
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e-mailing you with that as they can ask the stuff here.. thats just down right rude. It is pretty cool that we can find a lot of stuff at hydroponic stores but they are also starting to catch on.. the average price of a Magdrive 12 jumped 80.00 on the island here last month.. Steve [ 02 October 2002, 22:31: Message edited by: StirCrazy ] |
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well actually Brian .Sorry that this went this way. I was just trying to help you out ,Due to that, i know its hard to get things for a good price. you trusted me when you bought my skimmer and i thank you.. I'm just tired of people trying to rip us reefers off with this crappy prices ,Any way i was just trying to help out a friend ,if you have to email somone to tell them to get things straight. please email me i like a good scrap. LOL [img]tongue.gif[/img]
And I promise I'm not so nice to talk to.. so feel free to call me ..1-204-728-0342 :mad: [ 02 October 2002, 18:28: Message edited by: asmodeus ] |
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Maybe we should move some of this thread to another forum because it is getting away from the original post. I would like to add that I have had the feeling for some time that we reefers are playing into the hands of manufacturers and resellers of bulbs. On the basis of daylight in the tropics being 6500K, I have long felt that people are heading in the wrong direction when they discard bulbs after a few months because they feel that the color has shifted. I have a horrible feeling people are throwing out perfectly good bulbs. I myself am still using TWO year old 9325K PC bulbs. The light is still bright, and the color is fine. I have found the same with a 5500K MH bulb which is more than a year old. I am looking forward to some more well documented discussion on this, but for now I will continue to use old wrong color bulbs. :D
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Ask your rep that he give you the number of the bulb I will ask direct Iwasaki japan I have a contact there. lost rep. dont even know wath they talking about [ 03 October 2002, 16:54: Message edited by: stephane ] |
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Steph, I think the 23,000K is a mistake.. it looks like the lumeen ratins.. 23,000 lumins inital 14,00 mean..
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Bob Ipema, you couldnt be more wrong. And Im sure other experienced reefers, and coral farms would disagree. You need to change lights to keep colors viberant. That is if every other water perameter is in balance in your tank.
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I don't know if I should admit this, but, I'm using a more-than-two-year-old 10000K Hamilton over my 20g which houses my green saddle carpet. If growth and colour of the anemone is any indication then as far the anemone is concerned it couldn't care less that it has an old bulb. I think, the higher the Kelvin rating, the faster the bulbs wear out and thus the emphasis on a regular replacement schedule .... but, some bulbs definitely continue to be useful after the prescribed interval .... Of course, I wouldn't go and recommend that anyone be as lazy as me when it comes to replacing bulbs, the basic rule should be whether you feel the bulb is working for you or not. If you have a lot of algae nuisance growth, or, you feel the light just isn't as bright as it once was ... by all means the bulb could be at fault.
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So how do you know things could not be better if your not changing bulbs? Just because you dont have nusance algae is not a good indicator. That anemone could have out grown that tiny 20gal.
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I don't think that anenome could look any better then it is. The color is outstanding and the anenome takes up the whole 20g so it's growth seems to be great. I have to agree with Tony and Bob, Both these guys have beautiful tanks with beautiful creatures that I and many others have seen in person. If they had tanks full of brown sps, well then yes maybe they sould change their bulbs if they want bright colors out of those corals but the softies, lps and anenomes that are housed under these "old" bulbs are gorgeous. I typed these things with a smile on my face and no mad thoughts in my mind. Just agreeing with their messages. [img]smile.gif[/img] |
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pocilipora:
Perhaps if Tony tried one of the bulbs flogged in this thread, he would have better luck with his anemones. :rolleyes: Is this what you're suggesting, or are you so far off topic that your seemingly foul mood is affecting your responses? [img]tongue.gif[/img] Few people I've even heard of have had half the success he has keeping anemones. His are amazing, you should really see them. As well, Bob's tank lit with PC's looks quite good, you'd be surprised I think. These are the GE bulbs, after all. ;) So better than using sodium grow-lamps, these guys are doing a pretty good job by their charges. Until they see a compelling reason to change their bulbs, take it easy. AJ [ 03 October 2002, 22:16: Message edited by: AJ_77 ] |
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Alberta v.s. BC - Round 1. Ding!
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Wow....AJ....
:eek: So much for Dana Riddle and Steve Tyree.. [img]tongue.gif[/img] I have bulbs for sale, btw... |
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Before I changed my 175 10k hamiltons/ushio, I definately started to see effects of the spectrum shift. These bulbs were 12-14 months old. I had an acro that was growing very steadily for months that had started to lighten up on the upper branches, slowly bleaching. I had also noticed significant colour loss in some of my other sps.. Colours have regained now, but I almost didn't notice before since it was so gradual..
Here's the visual difference in spectrum shift.. Old on the left and new on the right.. I asked Allen at J&L and he said there was no change in the manufacturing of the bulb.. (though he could be wrong). Does seem quite significant to me.. The way it looks to me, is that spectrum shift will effect sps corals first. I saw no change in my LPS after the bulb change.. http://members.shaw.ca/limestone2/ushiovs.jpg |
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Exactly my point Pocillapora. I posted this in the hope of receiving DOCUMENTED evidence that old, or different spectrum bulbs gave problems. I wanted to hear someone say that their corals died because the bulbs were old, or not blue, NOT that the colors were less vibrant as that is cosmetic , and totally immaterial. My purpose is verification of what I am doing or for someone to PROVE that I am wrong. I am in no way interested in opinion.As someone said in a movie "The facts ma'am, only the facts". :D :rolleyes:
The above comment about the SPS versus LPS is very interesting. I only have one SPS coral, and have only had it for a few weeks. That proves of course that I know nothing about SPS corals, and I am happy to admit that. :D [ 04 October 2002, 09:50: Message edited by: Bob Ipema ] |
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Who exactly are you looking for evidence from? Have you tried looking yourself? The answer is out there! You must have a beautiful tank concidering you dont care about the light source. May as well throw some incadecents on there. Couple 100 waters should do it. :D
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I gave you evidence..The Zooxanthelea on the coral I mentioned did not recover and the coral slowly whithered away.. I should have replaced the bulbs sooner, but I couldn't bring myself to dish out the cash right away..
I remember a good quote from Darren. "Always strive for the optimal environment, not the minimal." err something like that. If you are cheaping out on your bulb change, you are going minimal. Before I changed my bulbs, yes 99% of my corals were perfexctly happy, but they look so much better now.. [ 04 October 2002, 12:01: Message edited by: One_Divided ] |
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I've often used DaleD's absolutely stunning 90gal lps/softie tank as an example of what is possible with lower than the commonly excepted lighting qualifications. Dale lit the 90 with a single 175W 10000K Aqualine Bushe(Bushke?) and (I think) one 40W actinic. This tank was stunning (I've never seen a better looking tank). He had the bulb for at least 18 months or 3x's older than is generally excepted. Point? Don't have one [img]tongue.gif[/img] , back to the fence I go.
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Good thing it ain't barb-wire!
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Perhaps the people advocating old bulbs and lower kelvin bulbs could post pics of their tanks. Then people advocating newer bulbs and higher kelvin bulbs post their tanks. This way we'll let the pics do the talking. I myself like the newer high k bulbs and as long as I want the best for my corals, I will always replace bulbs at or before a years time. The reason I like the higher k bulbs and keeping my bulbs new are for one reason only... Visually its clear, my corals are healthier. If your keeping less light demanding animals then sure your able to get away with less longer and perhaps do just fine. Those raising high light animals will I'm sure agree with what pocilipora is saying. Again a pictures worth a thousand words. Put those pics were your mouth is everyone.
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Whooaa, nice looking pics. :D
You guys have a very interesting lighting thread going on here. To bad its in the for sale forum. Hard to move though, with the first half being there. My 2 cents worth. I think as others, running bulbs for extended periods on soft coral tanks is fine. As for acros, we shall see soon. My pink birdsnest had no love for old bulbs. I ran my 250 watt Iwasaki on my soft coral tank for over two years. As for comments on low colour bulbs, I have tried the 175 watt 43K halide, purchased at the local lighting store. Ugly yellow, excellent for refugiums, butt ugly on reef tanks, even with actinic, but corals grow fine under them. Many corals have drab colour though. And BEWARE, the algae. [img]smile.gif[/img] |
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We could probably handle the pics being a bit smaller :D
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I would never dream of trying to keep SPS or clams under old bulbs. And if you read my post carefully, I said that particularly with higher Kelvin bulbs, an increased replacement schedule is called for. When I was playing with 14000Ks/12000Ks I found they were useless after 6 months.
I don't know why my carpet doesn't seem to care about an older bulb. But, it doesn't. I base my assessment on a number of factors, not the least of which are colour and growth. I'm sorry I don't mean to sound arrogant, but, in the many years I have been at this, I have learned how to tell how an anemone is doing. (There are many things about a great many things I have still to learn about the hobby as a whole, but anemones, I know what I am seeing when I see it.) As we all should know by now, there are factors in addition to light that are equally as important as lighting (if not pontentially -more so- in some cases) such as water movement, feeding schedule, what to feed, and appropriate substrata for the species and age of anemone. Unfortunately, I cannot post pictures of my "baby" at this time because 1) I am about 2000 miles away from my tanks and not due back until at least Tuesday :( and 2) I don't have a digital camera anyways so I would have to impose on someone to come over and take pictures for me. :( ... Very nice pictures, Chris. A little too large, though. For future, can you please try to reduce them to 640x480 if at all possible? They'll fit much nicer into the text based threads then. ... I should also mention, I would never dream of trying to keep my ritteri under bulbs that were too old, it is far too light-demanding. It all depends on your goals, and your results. Remember, I said, is your bulb working for you? That's the only valid criteria. If it stops working for you after three months, or six months, or six years, is going to depend on a number of different variables, and I generally don't question anyone's own assessment over their setups. If you feel you need to replace your bulbs twice a year, well then, you probably need to replace your bulbs twice a year. I don't question that, and furthermore I don't dare criticize anyone's setup and certainly would never do so if I've never SEEN the whole setup. That would just be rude. If your tank makes you happy then I am sure it is a nice setup. Don't ever tell me that my setup is no good when you haven't seen it. Whether it is, or isn't ... isn't for someone else to decide, unless I ask for their assessment beforehand. ... Now, how about everyone stop taking their grumpy pills from now on, and chill out. I can't beleive how hostile this board is getting. It's not fun. Smarten up, people. It's a HOBBY, people, it's supposed to be FUN. [ 04 October 2002, 21:32: Message edited by: delphinus ] |
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