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Algae Problems, Blah.
Hey guys,
I know there are a ton of algae posts, but generally it is because of new tanks, high nitrates, lighting, non-regular water changes, no CUC, etc. So here's my problem. I have a nasty case of hair algae that just won't quit, and I cannot figure out an explanation. I want to stop it, and rid my tank of it before it's too late. My 28G tank is over a half year old now, and completed it's cycle about a month in. It's diatom stage came and went, then the algae came, and eventually started to diminish. However it never fully went away. It's main point of focus is right on my live rock, which is the very porous pukani rock. It gets right into the crevices. My CUC consists of astrea and turbo snails, hermits and an urchin. I swear these guys never even touch the algae on my live rock. They've done a good job with keeping the glass clean, but nothing else. **My tank is bare bottom, so I did not feel the need for nassarius and other sand bed critters.** I run an RW-8 along with the included pumps for circulation. I have a TUNZE 9001 protein skimmer and filter foam (rinse out daily) for filtration. Maxspect Razor 60W 16K lighting that never goes over 80%. 20% water changes weekly using my own RO/DI unit. TDS readings at 0. Nitrates: 0 Nitrites: 0 Ammonia: 0 All I have for fish are two young clowns and a six-line wrasse, certainly not overfed. Lots of softies and LPS that seem to be doing well, though my zoas and paly's haven't had much growth :( I am probably forgetting to tell you guys something, so please just ask me anything specific and I will be able to answer. Any help is strongly appreciated. |
Assuming since you only psted amonia , nitrites and nitrates that your using the api test kits?
Po4 reading ? (Phosphate) |
I had very similar... if not the same issues you speak of when I was not watching my Kh. It was low for the first couple months of my tank and I seen the same results regarding nasty algae growth. My tank is all pukani. I have been keeping my kh elevated at around 9 to 10. In the last month or so I now have no nuisance algae and the coraline is coming in great, almost completely covering all the rock now. My tank has almost been running 6 months now. I also dose vinegar. Not sure if that has anything to do with it but I'm very happy with my tank... Right now at least lol.
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New tank needs new rock ...
Biggest regret I have is starting my tank with 'fake' rock. I tried base rock and I hated the results. I still hate it now 3 years in. I'm considering a complete tank reset because of it. Buy new/live rock and avoid all the base/pukani/whatever stuff they sell. Just my opinion, and I'm sure I'll be shot down, but it's the way to go. |
Greggzzzzzgz is right , the only way to do it is with pure liverock anything else doesn't work , can't work and just plain isn't right......according to god lol
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Sorry, didn't mean to be rude, just been a tough month and funds are low. Hope you get a better trade!
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I think an easier solution is simply bigger/more frequent water changes.
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In a tank like yours add 2.5 ml daily of 5% white vinegar for a week and then double it each week up until about week 3 or week 4 or around 10ml a day in total. This would be added daily. If you have the means to remove available nutrients before say macro algaes have a chance to use up available nutrients then you've just eliminated a middle man in your task;) if your want other benefits from a fuge there are def a few but I wouldn't consider nutrient export as the most efficient purpose it would have. |
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Great information. Thank you both.
I figured 20% weekly changes was quite a bit, but I guess not. What is the suggested changes for a 28G? Also a random question here. When doing water changes, should I leave my skimmer running or turn it off? The water gets so low in the chambers that it almost runs dry. I'm scared that if I turn it off it will restart and take another week or two to get going again. |
I change 50% every 2 weeks. Most don't do that tho. More is always better IMO.
The skimmer can stay on as long as there is water in the pump, but I wouldn't let it run dry for more than a very short while |
I do about 25% weekly as well:)
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could it be the pukani. my tank is almost 3 months now. went through the diatoms then the gha and this has continued since. My clean up crew cant keep up. Im reading 0 nitrates but im assuming the algae is taking it up therefor giving me the 0 reading. my phos was 1.6 but added a reactor and got to about 0.04 but never any lower. I bleached and acid bathed the rock and let it soak for a week. i suspect the pukani has phos still leaching out.:cry:
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It's not just nitrates and phosphates that algae uses but other elements as well, and some algaes are tolerant of low nutrient conditions so as the saying goes know your enemy to find his weaknesses ....basically I.D the algae A pic would help :) |
Also fwiw , gha is not a phase that you have to go through its certainly not a guarantee regardless of the type of rock you use so at the point of gha you should be asking yourself what's missing here? It all comes down to access to nutrients .......who has access to them first and what they do with them and what I or you can do to use this to my advantage ;)
Manipulating how nutrients are used and exported can be one of the most useful tools in keeping a healthy reef be it to keep away pest algaes or to overall improve animal health. |
Should I go with an 11oz bag of Chemi-Pure Elite?
Not sure what GFO is? |
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I'll use my own system as a perfect example , this system does the opposite of what most reefers will tell you what to do , it's loaded with don't do this or you'll end up with that's... Going by the rules of reefing I should have a nutrient soup of pests but I don't in fact I have a purely algae free system , loaded with corals and fish , rock is Coraline covered and an abundance of sponges and feather dusters all over the tank and this system is around 10mths old.you'd be hard pressed to find a white spot of anything anywhere in the tank it's packed in full. My recipe for disaster: Tap water No live rock All pukani No acid or bleach No cure No live sand So why is my system running perfectly and how did I go around all this? I manipulated the nutrients as I needed them , I first stripped the system bare and added what I needed when I needed it and removed anything I didn't ......it's that simple I didn't jump on the boat and go for a ride I hopped my own boat and drove exactly where I needed to go :) |
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